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Al Boarland

1.  The defensive staff he puts together.  Like CPR, who is a good coach, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken stuff. 

Which leads to the second signal.

2.  In year 2 the recruiting class breaks into the top 15.

Without those two things it won't matter how good of a hire it was.  You aren't going to consistently win with inferior talent.  If the above doesn't happen we should expect to win our cupcakes, but all the teams so many think we should be auto-W's will still be toss-ups.  I'm TBD on beating the teams with a sig talent advantage. 

AirWarren

And he looked good doing the Hog call.

Thank God.

 

CiriusPorker

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 10:41:30 am
1.  The defensive staff he puts together.  Like CPR, who is a good coach, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken stuff. 

Which leads to the second signal.

2.  In year 2 the recruiting class breaks into the top 15.

Without those two things it won't matter how good of a hire it was.  You aren't going to consistently win with inferior talent.  If the above doesn't happen we should expect to win our cupcakes, but all the teams so many think we should be auto-W's will still be toss-ups.  I'm TBD on beating the teams with a sig talent advantage. 

How high did Bobby get in recruiting? I personally don't remember.

David†

Quote from: AP85 on December 07, 2017, 10:52:45 am
And he looked good doing the Hog call.

Thank God.

Anybody that dances like he does isn't going to feel uncomfortable calling the hogs. Lol

Wildhog

Quote from: CiriusPorker on December 07, 2017, 10:55:43 am
How high did Bobby get in recruiting? I personally don't remember.


The '09 class was ranked 16th.
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Quote from: AP85 on December 07, 2017, 10:52:45 am
And he looked good doing the Hog call.

Thank God.
Thanks for posting this. Only reason I jumped on during this busy day at work. Silly, but wanted to know this...
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David†

Quote from: blu on December 07, 2017, 11:01:44 am
Top 15 in recruiting means squat.

It means we would have the best class we've had in decades. So there's that.

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Al Boarland

Quote from: blu on December 07, 2017, 11:01:44 am
Top 15 in recruiting means squat.

Not relative to the tip tier of the conference, but it gives us a good shot at winning ~8 games every season.

Al Boarland

Quote from: CiriusPorker on December 07, 2017, 10:55:43 am
How high did Bobby get in recruiting? I personally don't remember.

Using the Bobby years is a foolish comparison.  There is more talent in the conference now than we he won at the UofA. 

ThisTeetsTaken

Quote from: AP85 on December 07, 2017, 10:52:45 am
And he looked good doing the Hog call.

Thank God.
Anyone else feel like the Hog Call should be in the stadium only.  Nowadays it seems awkward when done at press conferences and places or times outside of game days/pep rallys.     
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AirWarren

Quote from: ThisTeetsTaken on December 07, 2017, 11:18:13 am
Anyone else feel like the Hog Call should be in the stadium only.  Nowadays it seems awkward when done at press conferences and places or times outside of game days/pep rallys.   

I would be down with that.

jgphillips3

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 11:15:30 am
Using the Bobby years is a foolish comparison.  There is more talent in the conference now than we he won at the UofA. 

Not really.  It's either about the same or down a bit.  Teams can't sign 30 and cycle out busts anymore.

redneckfriend

Quote from: David† on December 07, 2017, 11:03:09 am
It means we would have the best class we've had in decades. So there's that.

Maybe it would be the start of some on-field success. I haven't checked recently but I don't think 15 would stack up very well in the SEC west- it would be something though after years of mediocrity.

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A top 20 class by year three is all I ask for. 17, 18, 19, 20 somewhere in that range. We can recruit equal to what Tenn and SC does.
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Quote from: bkjbearcat on December 07, 2017, 11:44:07 am
A top 20 class by year three is all I ask for. 17, 18, 19, 20 somewhere in that range.


Hovering anywhere around #20 plus or minus consistently would be outstanding for us.
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Quote from: ThisTeetsTaken on December 07, 2017, 11:18:13 am
Anyone else feel like the Hog Call should be in the stadium only.  Nowadays it seems awkward when done at press conferences and places or times outside of game days/pep rallys.   

How bout we just stop that dumb tradition all together?

redeye

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 10:41:30 am
2.  In year 2 the recruiting class breaks into the top 15.

So he just needs to do what's never been done before at Arkansas?

Iwastherein1969

Quote from: Wildhog on December 07, 2017, 11:01:15 am
The '09 class was ranked 16th.
Mallett wasn't counted in that class..one imagines he would have put us in the top 10
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clew

Quote from: swineology on December 07, 2017, 11:45:54 am
How bout we just stop that dumb tradition all together?
how about you stop posting your dumb darn altogether?
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UA1985

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 10:41:30 am
1.  The defensive staff he puts together.  Like CPR, who is a good coach, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken stuff. 

Which leads to the second signal.

2.  In year 2 the recruiting class breaks into the top 15.

Without those two things it won't matter how good of a hire it was.  You aren't going to consistently win with inferior talent.  If the above doesn't happen we should expect to win our cupcakes, but all the teams so many think we should be auto-W's will still be toss-ups.  I'm TBD on beating the teams with a sig talent advantage. 
Those signals would definitely indicate we're on a path to success, but Petrino had us ranked in the top 5 without top-15 recruiting classes.

 

The Kig

Quote from: blu on December 07, 2017, 11:01:44 am
Top 15 in recruiting means squat.

So...how's that been working out for us?  It has been obvious,  despite the coaching deficiencies, that we have had a significant gap in talent between other SEC teams over the past few years.  Slow defensive players that were also hampered by poor coaching led to historically bad Defenses the past 3 years. 
Poker Porker

Wildhog

Quote from: The Kig on December 07, 2017, 12:03:09 pm
So...how's that been working out for us?  It has been obvious,  despite the coaching deficiencies, that we have had a significant gap in talent between other SEC teams over the past few years.  Slow defensive players that were also hampered by poor coaching led to historically bad Defenses the past 3 years. 

Really hoping the new S&C coach is all-in on speed training.
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MC_Hog

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 10:41:30 am
1.  The defensive staff he puts together.  Like CPR, who is a good coach, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken stuff. 

Which leads to the second signal.

2.  In year 2 the recruiting class breaks into the top 15.

Without those two things it won't matter how good of a hire it was.  You aren't going to consistently win with inferior talent.  If the above doesn't happen we should expect to win our cupcakes, but all the teams so many think we should be auto-W's will still be toss-ups.  I'm TBD on beating the teams with a sig talent advantage.

Oh I disagree you can make chicken salad out of chicken crap but do you really want to eat it?

Billy Bats

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 11:15:30 am
Using the Bobby years is a foolish comparison.  There is more talent in the conference now than we he won at the UofA.

Seriously?  The SEC has like three good teams.  They were all good when Bobby was here. 

redeye

IIRC, the '09 class inside the state was the best ever, so that had a lot to do with Arkansas' '09 class being so good.  Petrino got really lucky with all the great instate players when he was here, because Arkansas was turning out talent better than ever and it was the type of talent he needed.

Wildhog

Quote from: redeye on December 07, 2017, 12:08:34 pm
IIRC, the '09 class inside the state was the best ever, so that had a lot to do with Arkansas' '09 class being so good.  Petrino got really lucky with all the great instate players when he was here, because Arkansas was turning out talent better than ever and it was the type of talent he needed.

You're thinking of the '08 class.
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swineology

Quote from: clew on December 07, 2017, 11:58:26 am
how about you stop posting your dumb darn altogether?

How bout you turn your sarcasm meter on so you can detect it, it's obvious you can't see it.

Iwastherein1969

Quote from: Billy Bats on December 07, 2017, 12:08:13 pm
Seriously?  The SEC has like three good teams.  They were all good when Bobby was here.
Uh, no. How does one say, "conjecture" ?
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Al Boarland

Quote from: redeye on December 07, 2017, 11:48:15 am
So he just needs to do what's never been done before at Arkansas?

If he wants to do what's never been done (championship) at Arkansas, yes.

Wildhog

We don't have to sign top 15 classes.  We just have to consistently meet our needs and not take any reaches.  Can't afford a bust rate as high as we had under CBB.
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ThisTeetsTaken

Quote from: Wildhog on December 07, 2017, 12:05:16 pm
Really hoping the new S&C coach is all-in on speed training.
He'll have to be.
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December 07, 2017, 12:34:23 pm #35 Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 01:50:59 pm by Inhogswetrust
Quote from: swineology on December 07, 2017, 11:45:54 am
How bout we just stop that dumb tradition all together?

Dude you obviously aren't a Hog fan IF you don't want to do the Hog call anytime anywhere!
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Youngsta71701

Quote from: CiriusPorker on December 07, 2017, 10:55:43 am
How high did Bobby get in recruiting? I personally don't remember.
Not top 15 that's for sure.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

hogginbama

Quote from: hoginator on December 07, 2017, 11:01:59 am
Thanks for posting this. Only reason I jumped on during this busy day at work. Silly, but wanted to know this...

Now you know the Hog Call is the only measure of a great coach at Arkansas. It matters if he started with the traditional sound or the newly implemented "wolf-call" that the younger generation has started. Well, the Hog Call and their high school record.....what a joke.
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Quote from: ThisTeetsTaken on December 07, 2017, 11:18:13 am
Anyone else feel like the Hog Call should be in the stadium only.  Nowadays it seems awkward when done at press conferences and places or times outside of game days/pep rallys.   
I'm witcha.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

Bubba's Bruisers

Quote from: Iwastherein1969 on December 07, 2017, 11:55:05 am
Mallett wasn't counted in that class..one imagines he would have put us in the top 10

Mallett was prior to 2009 class.  Came in January 2008, about a month after BP arrived.
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

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clew

Quote from: swineology on December 07, 2017, 12:16:18 pm
How bout you turn your sarcasm meter on so you can detect it, it's obvious you can't see it.
lol. You're right. It went right over my head. Sorry.
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OtterHog

Quote from: Wildhog on December 07, 2017, 12:05:16 pm
Really hoping the new S&C coach is all-in on speed training.

Really any training at all would be an improvement. Our team not sucking wind by the end of the 3rd quarter would be nice.

Bubba's Bruisers

Quote from: Wildhog on December 07, 2017, 12:32:14 pm
We don't have to sign top 15 classes.  We just have to consistently meet our needs and not take any reaches.  Can't afford a bust rate as high as we had under CBB.

Right, but meeting our needs means doing so with actual SEC talented players.  I know that seemingly goes without saying, but it's a blast to follow the recruiting forum with poster after poster shunning the idea that the guys we're signing each don't have much of an offer sheet.  They argue "...meeting needs, though.".  "We're meeting our needs".  As if we need to put an emphasis on LB's in the class, so we sign 5 no-body LB's, but hey, it meets our needs...bodies at the right position meet our needs.

You already know this.  I'm just venting in general about recruiting.

Make no mistake, we need higher ranked classes consistently.
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

Genesis 3:15

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: blu on December 07, 2017, 11:01:44 am
Top 15 in recruiting means squat.

You are right, one top 15 class doesn't mean a great deal. Give me 3 to 4 of those back to back to back and now you are starting to put together some talent.
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HamGrowsOnTrees

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 11:15:30 am
Using the Bobby years is a foolish comparison.  There is more talent in the conference now than we he won at the UofA.

Lol

Wildhog

Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on December 07, 2017, 12:46:09 pm
Right, but meeting our needs means doing so with actual SEC talented players.  I know that seemingly goes without saying, but it's a blast to follow the recruiting forum with poster after poster shunning the idea that the guys we're signing each don't have much of an offer sheet.  They argue "...meeting needs, though.".  "We're meeting our needs".  As if we need to put an emphasis on LB's in the class, so we sign 5 no-body LB's, but hey, it meets our needs...bodies at the right position meet our needs.

You already know this.  I'm just venting in general about recruiting.

Make no mistake, we need higher ranked classes consistently.

Totally agree.  That's pretty much what I meant by "taking no reaches." 

I don't want to see us take a bunch of guys with G5 offer sheets.
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Quote from: Wildhog on December 07, 2017, 12:32:14 pm
We don't have to sign top 15 classes.  We just have to consistently meet our needs and not take any reaches.  Can't afford a bust rate as high as we had under CBB.

Look at the contenders in the conference.

Wildhog

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 01:48:12 pm
Look at the contenders in the conference.

lol, I have. 

We're not ever going to consistently sign top 15 classes.  It will never happen.  That's not to say we can't occasionally sneak in there with a special class.
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Hogindasticks

Quote from: Al Boarland on December 07, 2017, 12:30:05 pm
If he wants to do what's never been done (championship) at Arkansas, yes.

Definitely would be my goal as coach....600k for him if it happens.