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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2017, 11:27:11 pm »

I believe that the NCAA should give Ole Miss the ultimate death penalty. Part of the punishment for their non compliance......they have to rehire Houston Nutt as their football coach & offensive coordinator, for 5 years.  This should result in at least a 7 year bowl ban.  :)
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2017, 12:52:33 am »

All joking aside, Ole Miss deserves to get hammered.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2017, 01:32:51 am »

"Are you Ready?"
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2017, 01:12:53 pm »

Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, about your cheating, lying to investigators and Archie Manning, calling prostitutes, paying players, disparaging your fellow Reverend H.D. Nutt, Briarcrest perversions and all of your sordid hypocrisy?
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #54 on: August 13, 2017, 06:24:19 pm »

The real question is........Since they won't EVER give another program the death penalty, whats the least amount of punishment they (NCAA) can give and still be deemed credible?

2 year bowl ban and loss of 5 scholarships a year for 3 years is my best guess.

Good job Tunsil for igniting the fire
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #55 on: August 13, 2017, 06:36:53 pm »

The real question is........Since they won't EVER give another program the death penalty, whats the least amount of punishment they (NCAA) can give and still be deemed credible?

2 year bowl ban and loss of 5 scholarships a year for 3 years is my best guess.

Good job Tunsil for igniting the fire

A show cause against Freeze and some of his assistants has got to be part of it
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #56 on: August 13, 2017, 06:39:42 pm »

A show cause against Freeze and some of his assistants has got to be part of it

Think that's a given. Doesn't effect OM though. 2 year bowl ban is the hammer almost as bad as death penalty. I'm didn't think it would happen but not so sure anymore...
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2017, 01:15:14 pm »

It just shows how little some on HV pay attention to anything other than the hogs.  There was absolutely nothing the NCAA could have done about Penn St.  The NCAA is not a legal arm, it's a rules jurisdiction.  Think what you want but any program with the amount and severity of infractions as Ole Miss is definitely going to get nailed and nailed hard.  Two more years for a total of 3 post season ban and probably the lose of 17-21 schollies over the next 3-5 years.  Reference:  USC and Reggie Bush.  If USC got nailed the way they did for a LOT less, oh you watch, Ole Miss is gonna get pimp slapped!
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2017, 01:24:23 pm »

It just shows how little some on HV pay attention to anything other than the hogs.  There was absolutely nothing the NCAA could have done about Penn St.  The NCAA is not a legal arm, it's a rules jurisdiction.  Think what you want but any program with the amount and severity of infractions as Ole Miss is definitely going to get nailed and nailed hard.  Two more years for a total of 3 post season ban and probably the lose of 17-21 schollies over the next 3-5 years.  Reference:  USC and Reggie Bush.  If USC got nailed the way they did for a LOT less, oh you watch, Ole Miss is gonna get pimp slapped!

Three year bowl ban? Did Usc get that? I know they lost a lot of scholarships but don't remember 3 years no post season. But I agree- OM not only did worse, but are not exactly playing nice with the NCAA. Not a good scenario.....
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2017, 08:14:06 am »

And they wanted us to believe their over the top recruiting was just because of the quaint little city of Oxford and their holy roller coach.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2017, 08:31:38 am »

Reference:  USC and Reggie Bush.  If USC got nailed the way they did for a LOT less, oh you watch, Ole Miss is gonna get pimp slapped!

One of the "blue blood" programs in college football got raked over the coals by the NCAA, but people still go on and on about how they don't have the testicular fortitude to cone down on one of the major programs..  Gotta love message board logic...

What most people don't understand is it is extremely hard for the NCAA to prove a case to the point that they can put sanctions in place.  They have to have people go on record, be able to prove the money trail, etc..  It's just not as easy as people think., especially with the NCAA operating on limited resources.

What seems like an open and shut case (like Cam Newton and Auburn) isn't as easy to prove without people willing to GO ON RECORD.

The NCAA has shown when they have verifiable and extensive proof of infractions, they hammer that school to make an example.  I fully expect Ole Miss to get the hammer, and it's probably going to be years before they recover, if ever.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2017, 08:34:46 am »

Is there a timeline for when we might expect to hear a ruling on Ole Miss?  The NCAA, while painfully inept at the job they have created for themselves, sure leaves their "investigations" open ended.  I guess it could be said that leaving an investigation open ended hurts the school in question in addition to the punishments that are forthcoming. 
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2017, 09:27:19 am »

Is there a timeline for when we might expect to hear a ruling on Ole Miss?  The NCAA, while painfully inept at the job they have created for themselves, sure leaves their "investigations" open ended.  I guess it could be said that leaving an investigation open ended hurts the school in question in addition to the punishments that are forthcoming. 

The hearing is 9/11/17 so some time after that I assume
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2017, 10:03:39 am »

Shucks, faced with these same facts, BAMA would have a solid answer for every single one and in the end, the NCAA would be apologizing for accusing BAMA of such underhanded doings, knowing full well the great institution would never ever slide to such untoward mishaps.  If you gonna cheat, you need to have an escape plan.  The difference in a great University and a novice University.  I, too, believe OM will be used as an example.  They could ban OM from competing for a Conference Title for 10 years and that is nothing.  OM isn't going to win a conference title anyway. 
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2017, 10:06:45 am »

Be careful with the pics and stuff guys. Ole miss believe it or not, has a team of bored schmuck lawyers that go after regular people on the internet all the time.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2017, 10:10:26 am »

Be careful with the pics and stuff guys. Ole miss believe it or not, has a team of bored schmuck lawyers that go after regular people on the internet all the time.
There is no liability for attaching pictures of this sort.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2017, 10:25:44 am »

I think a reasonable expectation for a final ruling might be: 2 year bowl ban, 2-3 year ban on division and conference titles, losing 3-5 scholarships over the next 3-5 years each, show cause for Freeze and certain assistants, and the NCAA allowing upper classmen to transfer without penalty. I would think the Ole Miss AD gets fired too.
That would put the Rebs back into the bottom of the division for the foreseeable future. If the Hogs can beat Ole Miss three years in a row when they are cheating (albeit at least one was with some divine luck), then they should beat Mississippi nine out of ten times over the next decade, or longer.
I can also see Mullen (this has nothing to do with OM) leaving Miss. St soon for a better job. He must know that he will never win an SEC title in Starkville. With Sumlin probably on the way out at A&M, the rajun cajun at LSU (I think Orgeron is a great coordinator but a lousy head coach), and Gus' ups and downs at Auburn, maybe Arkansas can be the one real threat to Alabama over the next few years in the West. Maybe!
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2017, 10:36:16 am »

There is no liability for attaching pictures of this sort.

Correct.  This is obviously satire. 
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2017, 10:54:25 am »

Correct.  This is obviously BAD satire. 
Fixed it.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2017, 07:17:39 pm »

Be careful with the pics and stuff guys. Ole miss believe it or not, has a team of bored schmuck lawyers that go after regular people on the internet all the time.
Ole Miss' lawyers have their hands full with this little piece of work right now
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2017, 07:36:34 pm »

All joking aside, Ole Miss deserves to get hammered.

In the knee.  Watching OM swirl the drain for atleast a decade will be way better than the death penalty.   
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2017, 09:04:55 pm »

In the knee.  Watching OM swirl the drain for atleast a decade will be way better than the death penalty.
I don't know, man. Were you around when SMU got the DP? Took them years to get over it.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2017, 10:47:25 pm »


Sorry but you're wrong. At the very bases the ncaa is a rules committee. Now they may suck at enforcing the rules but they had no real power to do anything in the Penn State case.


It's kind of like saying it's up to border control to deal with North Korea. The ncaa has no jurisdiction to handel legal cases.

That's why they haven't touched Baylor.


I agree with you that there is no reason to believe the ncaa will do anything of significance I just don't think you can use Penn State as an example. Now maybe North Carolina.....


Fyi. Here is the definition:

Institutional control refers to the efforts institutions make to comply with NCAA legislation and to detect and investigate violations that do occur. NCAA member institutions are obligated to maintain appropriate levels of institutional control.

Switzer and OU got nailed in part because of legal issues that happened in the football dorms.

Baylor basketball also got nailed in part for drug use among players.

It has happened before.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2017, 11:25:52 pm »

Doubt they will send the pleasant rednecks from Starkville...

They have have pleasant rednecks in Mississippi?

Ne'er met one.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2017, 11:30:28 pm »

comes out the gate SWANGIN'

Installment number three takes us to Land of Rebel Landshucks Ackbar Black Bear Ole Misdials.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollbamaroll.com/platform/amp/2017/8/15/16125868/predicting-the-2017-sec-football-season-ole-miss-rebels-bears-ackbar-shea-patterson
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2017, 12:06:19 am »

comes out the gate SWANGIN'

Installment number three takes us to Land of Rebel Landshucks Ackbar Black Bear Ole Misdials.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollbamaroll.com/platform/amp/2017/8/15/16125868/predicting-the-2017-sec-football-season-ole-miss-rebels-bears-ackbar-shea-patterson

"The Hugh Freeze misdial fiasco..." sure, a pattern of misdials that just happened to be behavior, UNRELATED TO NCAA ALLEGATIONS I ASSURE YOU, unacceptable for the head coach of the ethical titan that is the Ole Miss University
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2017, 04:02:50 am »

I don't know, man. Were you around when SMU got the DP? Took them years to get over it.

Unfortunately I'm old enough to remember that.  Being hit and miss and not in a P5 I'd say SMU never fully recovered to their SWC days.  I'd rather OM not get the death penalty so we can have that one near guaranteed W every season.  OM is probably in between SCw and SMU in severity of violations so it'll be interesting to see what they get handed.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2017, 05:44:10 am »

I don't know, man. Were you around when SMU got the DP? Took them years to get over it.

And it SHOULD take years if things are that bad.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2017, 10:53:39 am »

Cause and effect.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #80 on: August 16, 2017, 11:05:09 am »

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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #81 on: August 16, 2017, 11:15:49 am »

Really begs the question was he just calling them for himself or was he using hookers to help him recruit?

Excellent question which is probably being looked in to at this time.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #82 on: August 16, 2017, 10:35:45 pm »

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/report-freezes-departure-ole-miss-linked-calls-made-recruiting-trips/

Well, boy howdy....

Nuttless had the Holiday Inn...

BP had his motorcycle ride...

Now Ole Beaver had his private jet...betcha he is a "mile high senior member"!
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #83 on: August 17, 2017, 09:56:07 am »

Really begs the question was he just calling them for himself or was he using hookers to help him recruit?

That just doesn't add up in my mind. For practical reasons, if Hugh was engaging the services of hookers while HE was on recruiting trips, then the most logical assumption is that he was arranging for himself to be the recipient of those services.

If he was engaging services of hookers on dates that coincided with when RECRUITS were the ones taking a trip away from home, then you would have something much more suspicious.

As it stands now, the most likely scenario is just that Hugh is just another sleazy traveling business man that pays for strange on the side while out on the road.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #84 on: August 17, 2017, 10:23:17 am »

Am I wrong in thinking that this is about the same level of nonsense that we saw at USC? I thought USC's punishment was pretty solid. They became struggled mightily for a few years but weren't killed.


As for freeze, can he get a job at last chance U? That should be a thing.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #85 on: August 17, 2017, 11:34:30 am »

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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #86 on: August 17, 2017, 12:07:28 pm »

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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #87 on: August 17, 2017, 08:43:45 pm »

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I am unfamiliar with the work of James Earl.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2017, 12:08:26 pm »

I am unfamiliar with the work of James Earl.
man, James Earl is extremely talented
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #89 on: August 18, 2017, 12:10:52 pm »

man, James Earl is extremely talented
true that
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #90 on: August 18, 2017, 12:43:49 pm »

Just wishful thinking...I want to have this happen so Barner will have something to think about going forward!

Don't get me wrong, I'd like that.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #91 on: August 18, 2017, 12:53:59 pm »

The real question is........Since they won't EVER give another program the death penalty, whats the least amount of punishment they (NCAA) can give and still be deemed credible?

2 year bowl ban and loss of 5 scholarships a year for 3 years is my best guess.

Good job Tunsil for igniting the fire

The NCAA for all purposes, gave SMU what was essentially a 2 year death penalty since they were only allowed to play a non-conference schedule the year after they were totally shut down along with being banned from post season play, plus I believe the NCAA declared all of the recruiting class that had signed LOIs with them the year they were shut down to be ineligible to play for them. They also hit SMU hard with scholarship reductions the next 2 years.

I don't see Ole miss being hit that hard (even though they deserve it), but I do see them getting a 1 year death penalty, a post season ban for the next year while being allowed to play a regular conference schedule and scholarship reductions the next 2 years.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #93 on: August 18, 2017, 04:26:03 pm »

I don't think there will be a 2nd year bowl ban. 

I don't think AD Ross Bjork will lose his job.

I do think that that Chris Vaughn, David Saunders, and Barney Farrar will all get show cause orders.  I don't think Hugh Freeze will get a show cause order.

I do think there will be additional scholarship reductions.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Ole Miss with as few as 50-60 scholarship players for a season or two.

I don't think the scholarship reductions extend beyond four years.  My hunch is that they'll last for three.

There are some major things in the case, but there are also a lot of minor things or things in dispute.  When you actually read at the NCAA's entire response, I'm surprised a 4+ year investigation didn't come up with more.  Not that it's not bad enough.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #94 on: August 19, 2017, 08:43:39 am »

I don't think there will be a 2nd year bowl ban. 

I don't think AD Ross Bjork will lose his job.

I do think that that Chris Vaughn, David Saunders, and Barney Farrar will all get show cause orders.  I don't think Hugh Freeze will get a show cause order.

I do think there will be additional scholarship reductions.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Ole Miss with as few as 50-60 scholarship players for a season or two.

I don't think the scholarship reductions extend beyond four years.  My hunch is that they'll last for three.

There are some major things in the case, but there are also a lot of minor things or things in dispute.  When you actually read at the NCAA's entire response, I'm surprised a 4+ year investigation didn't come up with more.  Not that it's not bad enough.

It can't get any worse than being cited by the NCAA for "Lack of Institutional Control", That's bottom of the barrel.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #95 on: August 19, 2017, 06:07:16 pm »

I don't think there will be a 2nd year bowl ban. 

I don't think AD Ross Bjork will lose his job.

I do think that that Chris Vaughn, David Saunders, and Barney Farrar will all get show cause orders.  I don't think Hugh Freeze will get a show cause order.

I do think there will be additional scholarship reductions.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Ole Miss with as few as 50-60 scholarship players for a season or two.

I don't think the scholarship reductions extend beyond four years.  My hunch is that they'll last for three.

There are some major things in the case, but there are also a lot of minor things or things in dispute.  When you actually read at the NCAA's entire response, I'm surprised a 4+ year investigation didn't come up with more.  Not that it's not bad enough.

Your thoughts on this topic are worthless.  You've bashed here people calling this what it was months ago.   Swore nothing was coming if it because nothing was happening, blah blah blah.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #96 on: August 19, 2017, 06:10:52 pm »

I don't think there will be a 2nd year bowl ban. 

I don't think AD Ross Bjork will lose his job.

I do think that that Chris Vaughn, David Saunders, and Barney Farrar will all get show cause orders.  I don't think Hugh Freeze will get a show cause order.

I do think there will be additional scholarship reductions.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Ole Miss with as few as 50-60 scholarship players for a season or two.

I don't think the scholarship reductions extend beyond four years.  My hunch is that they'll last for three.

There are some major things in the case, but there are also a lot of minor things or things in dispute.  When you actually read at the NCAA's entire response, I'm surprised a 4+ year investigation didn't come up with more.  Not that it's not bad enough.
I think there is a lot of hoping in your post.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2017, 06:18:52 pm »

I don't think there will be a 2nd year bowl ban. 

I don't think AD Ross Bjork will lose his job.

I do think that that Chris Vaughn, David Saunders, and Barney Farrar will all get show cause orders.  I don't think Hugh Freeze will get a show cause order.

I do think there will be additional scholarship reductions.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Ole Miss with as few as 50-60 scholarship players for a season or two.

I don't think the scholarship reductions extend beyond four years.  My hunch is that they'll last for three.

There are some major things in the case, but there are also a lot of minor things or things in dispute.  When you actually read at the NCAA's entire response, I'm surprised a 4+ year investigation didn't come up with more.  Not that it's not bad enough.

I would agree if Ole Miss didn't seem to resist being more forthcoming. They argue everything instead of taking responsibility and owning up to all of the wrongdoings. I would cite Freeze's attorney for his statement about the booster he contacted over 200 times, even after the investigation started, who he allegedly and quite innocently, "met at church". Whether true or not, this really looks bad and it is now public knowledge, which makes it look even worse.

Comes a time when a school has to just fess up and take their medicine because continuing to resist and deny and present excuses can make the punishment even worse than it might have been had they just come clean in the beginning. And of course, that is with the assumption that all that has come out is true. But even if it weren't, I would think a school would want to take the route that made them look better, rather than worse. I don't think that Ole Miss is doing a very good job of this at this point.
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2017, 02:51:32 pm »

In an effort to placate the NCAA, Ole Miss has issued stringent new rules for the 2017 season:
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Re: NCAA Response to Ole Miss
« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2017, 05:49:56 pm »

That's a beautiful poem.
Ole Miss hires scumbag.
Said scumbag cheats his arse off.
Now they suck again.

Hugh Freeze loved to cheat.
Tunsil loved accepting bribes.
Match made in heaven.

Two things Ole Miss lacks,
Institutional control,
And wins they can keep.

Just a few haikus for your Sunday afternoon.

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