Interesting read...

[Al Boarland]

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/8/16061852/arkansas-football-2017-preview-schedule-roster

[247Hog]

39% chance of beating Ole Miss?

[jst01]

  Nice long article.  "Hogs lost best lineman, Dan Skipper...." LOL.   More like addition by subtraction.   

[Wildhog]

  Nice long article.  "Hogs lost best lineman, Dan Skipper...." LOL.   More like addition by subtraction.   

Out of your mind.  I'd kill to have Skipper back.

Not saying I agree that he was our best.  That honor goes to Frank.

[ShadowHawg]

I saw Skipper get bull rushed by a CB last season. He couldn't pass protect at all and Allen got the crap beat out of him as a result.

He was also good for at least one stupid penalty in our biggest games.

I am interested to see if we pass protect better without him this season.

[Wildhog]

I saw Skipper get bull rushed by a CB last season. He couldn't pass protect at all and Allen got the crap beat out of him as a result.

He was also good for at least one stupid penalty in our biggest games.

I am interested to see if we pass protect better without him this season.

He was playing out of position because we didn't have anyone else that could play LT.  That's not his fault.

We'd have a better OL this year if he was still on the team.

[Al Boarland]

39% chance of beating Ole Miss?

Their offense will be potent. It will probably be a shootout.

[jst01]

He was playing out of position because we didn't have anyone else that could play LT.  That's not his fault.

We'd have a better OL this year if he was still on the team.

disagree. I'll miss his blocked kicks, but I wont miss him on the line. Poor foot work, high center of gravity, easy to move.

[Wildhog]

disagree. I'll miss his blocked kicks, but I wont miss him on the line. Poor foot work, high center of gravity, easy to move.

If only we had anyone better.

I thought he was pretty good at RT.

[jst01]

If only we had anyone better.

I thought he was pretty good at RT.

you could be right, maybe he was better there.  Was Froho LG last year?? 

[Wildhog]

you could be right, maybe he was better there.  Was Froho LG last year?? 

Yeah

[MuskogeeHogFan]

disagree. I'll miss his blocked kicks, but I wont miss him on the line. Poor foot work, high center of gravity, easy to move.

Skipper was a good RT, he did less well at LT.

[jst01]

Yeah

Rough combo on that side last year.  Probably didn't help Skipper out too much playing next to a guy playing OL for first time ever.

[247Hog]

Their offense will be potent. It will probably be a shootout.

Ole Miss 4 games before we play them....
@Bama
@Auburn
Vandy
LSU

Not sure they will be healthy by the time we play Ole Miss.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I saw Skipper get bull rushed by a CB last season. He couldn't pass protect at all and Allen got the crap beat out of him as a result.

He was also good for at least one stupid penalty in our biggest games.

I am interested to see if we pass protect better without him this season.

Do you realize what "bull rushed" means? Now are you talking about being "speed rushed", around the outside?

[Al Boarland]

Ole Miss 4 games before we play them....
@Bama
@Auburn
Vandy
LSU

Not sure they will be healthy by the time we play Ole Miss.

Yeah, that's a tough road.  We have @SCar, @Bama, Auburn.  It's not like we have a lot of room for injuries ourselves.

[Mike_e]

Do you realize what "bull rushed" means? Now are you talking about being "speed rushed", around the outside?

Probably, hard to imagine a 6' 0 200ish CB bull rushing him.

MAybe he tripped? 

[luke hawg]

Our inability to run the ball in short yardage situations has been the most disappointing aspect of the program to this point. I feel it's been underwhelming the entire time.

[bigeasyhog]

So, let me get this straight; we have a better chance of beating SC in Columbia, than beating TCU at HOME? REALLY? And , Yes, Bama is great , but 5% ?!  Hell, Troy , Ark ST and GA Southern have a 5% chance in Tuscaloosa!  I can tell they spent the same five minutes I just did in predicting % of win likelihood in our schedule. What a joke.

[TNRazorbacker]

disagree. I'll miss his blocked kicks, but I wont miss him on the line. Poor foot work, high center of gravity, easy to move.

I'd have to agree. He always looked a bit clumsy to me. Got a lot of stupid penalties.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I'd have to agree. He always looked a bit clumsy to me. Got a lot of stupid penalties.

He's not a LT. He merely played that because we asked him to because our previous LT took off a year early for the draft before allowing Bielema to visit with his family. Otherwise we would have seen Skipper at RT and he would have been just fine.

As for your other remark, yes he was targeted by officials. He made errors when he was being closely watched by officials but guess what? The biggest guy on the field, who performed a one-armed take down of a DE vs. Texas Tech as a LT and as a young player made a "rep" for himself, and was going to be targeted throughout the rest of his career. He always was targeted, everyone knew it. It's kind of a cheap shot to be going after him now. He was an aggressive player. We need more of those. Had he been just 6-5 instead of 6-10, half of the calls made on him probably would never have been called by officiating crews.

[HamSammich]

He's not a LT. He merely played that because we asked him to because our previous LT took off a year early for the draft before allowing Bielema to visit with his family. Otherwise we would have seen Skipper at RT and he would have been just fine.

As for your other remark, yes he was targeted by officials. He made errors when he was being closely watched by officials but guess what? The biggest guy on the field, who performed a one-armed take down of a DE vs. Texas Tech as a LT and as a young player made a "rep" for himself, and was going to be targeted throughout the rest of his career. He always was targeted, everyone knew it. It's kind of a cheap shot to be going after him now. He was an aggressive player. We need more of those. Had he been just 6-5 instead of 6-10, half of the calls made on him probably would never have been called by officiating crews.

Musky is right. And we actually will be better without him at lt this year. Promise you.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Musky is right. And we actually will be better without him at lt this year. Promise you.

I'm not saying that at all and I wouldn't take a low class shot at him like this either. Pretty low class. He moved because we asked him to move. He did the best that he could. I would love to have him back at RT this year. We would be a better OL overall.

[bennyl08]

He's not a LT. He merely played that because we asked him to because our previous LT took off a year early for the draft before allowing Bielema to visit with his family. Otherwise we would have seen Skipper at RT and he would have been just fine.

As for your other remark, yes he was targeted by officials. He made errors when he was being closely watched by officials but guess what? The biggest guy on the field, who performed a one-armed take down of a DE vs. Texas Tech as a LT and as a young player made a "rep" for himself, and was going to be targeted throughout the rest of his career. He always was targeted, everyone knew it. It's kind of a cheap shot to be going after him now. He was an aggressive player. We need more of those. Had he been just 6-5 instead of 6-10, half of the calls made on him probably would never have been called by officiating crews.

No guarantee he wouldn't have moved to LT. Skipper wasn't great at LT, but neither was Kirkland. For Skipper at least, he's still naturally a tackle while Kirkland is naturally a guard.

From what I remember of Bielema's interviews, if Kirkland returned for his senior year, CBB would have preferred to move him back to guard. While all either you or I can do is guess as to what the outcome would have been, I'd guess that Kirkland would move back into guard, letting Froholdt essentially and perhaps literally redshirt last year. Skipper starts out at RT as the coaching staff tries to get Colton Jackson up to speed at LT. Then, when fall camp comes around and they don't like where Colton is mentally just yet, it becomes a question of whether Skipper or Kirkland moves out to LT, but Wallace at RT would probably have been the better replacement than Froholdt last year at LG, so Skipper moves to the left, with Kirkland at LG, Ragnow at center, Raulerson/Gibson at RG, and Wallace at RT.

[bennyl08]

So, let me get this straight; we have a better chance of beating SC in Columbia, than beating TCU at HOME? REALLY? And , Yes, Bama is great , but 5% ?!  Hell, Troy , Ark ST and GA Southern have a 5% chance in Tuscaloosa!  I can tell they spent the same five minutes I just did in predicting % of win likelihood in our schedule. What a joke.

Given the choice between playing TCU all 12 games and SC all 12 games this coming season, I'd much rather play SC because I think TCU will be a tougher team to beat than the gamecocks. SC getting the game at home IMO gives them an outside shot at the upset while us playing TCU at home could be the deciding factor in what should be a close game.

On the 2nd part, I agree.

[HamSammich]

I'm not saying that at all and I wouldn't take a low class shot at him like this either. Pretty low class. He moved because we asked him to move. He did the best that he could. I would love to have him back at RT this year. We would be a better OL overall.

Call it low class if you want. I deal in truth. Not denial. Cheers



If I was a moderator here and part of the mafia that sent away 30 percent of all the knowledgeable posters with the fascist editing I would be ashamed and feel very low class. But that's a different discussion.

[Biggus Piggus]

Not one knowledgeable poster has been sent away. Some were run off by the idiots we try to control.

[Michael_E_Davis]

Dan Skipper cost of the 2014 A&M game.  I remember how pissed I was when Jonathan Williams broke away with that incredible run to ice the game -  and then it was called back because of Dan Skipper's trip.  We had that game,  and the loss effected the rest of the reason.  I also believe it directly effected the 2016 game that we barely lost.  Had we won the first one,  I think we would have won the second.

Basically,  Dan Skipper had a big hand in causing our woes against Texas AM.  He seemed to always get penalties at key moments in games; the worst time.

[wildhogman]

Not one knowledgeable poster has been sent away. Some were run off by the idiots we try to control.

wish the idiots would run off and those other poster's would return. I miss the actual knowledge that used to be here. None of it was agenda driven

[NuttinItUp]

Ole Miss 4 games before we play them....
@Bama
@Auburn
Vandy
LSU

Not sure they will be healthy by the time we play Ole Miss.

Vandy won't be that bad. Our two games right before we play Ole Miss are @Bama and Auburn. We might be more banged up than they are coming into the game. (Vandy and LSU at home vs. @Bama and Auburn at home)

[HamSammich]

Not one knowledgeable poster has been sent away. Some were run off by the idiots we try to control.

I'm sorry and I have nothing against you, but I'm on a couple of pay sites with a great community of former hogville posters that say the same. It is what it is man whether true or not. Sometimes perception is truth and sometimes truth is perception.



I guess a mod calling someone lowclass like a bum brings out some fire. I had an opinion that a moderator didn't like and it was a low class opinion.... that's trash.

[nwahogfan1]

39% chance of beating Ole Miss?

Favored barely in two home games against SEC foes Miss. St. 56% and Missouri 66%.   At least we are favored to win 3 money games.  LOL.  TCU is favored by a little to win at our house.

This is what the national media thinks of us and it will continue until we start winning more games.  According to their records of who is favored to win we should only win 5 games.  TCU at home and USCe are favored by around 3 points so these are 50/50 games.  These are the games we have to start winning if we are going to get real National attention.

[Tusks]

No way the Hogs lose to 'escort' U this fall, no way.  Might be the hogs easiest conference game.

[nwahogfan1]

  Nice long article.  "Hogs lost best lineman, Dan Skipper...." LOL.   More like addition by subtraction.   

Not a Skipper fan but I thought our best OLM was Ragnow.    I don't think we will miss Skipper.  I think the OL will be better. 

[wildhogman]

I'm sorry and I have nothing against you, but I'm on a couple of pay sites with a great community of former hogville posters that say the same. It is what it is man whether true or not. Sometimes perception is truth and sometimes truth is perception.



I guess a mod calling someone lowclass like a bum brings out some fire. I had an opinion that a moderator didn't like and it was a low class opinion.... that's trash.

pretty sure if you insult a player or former player like Skipper on Clay Henry's board you wont be called low class, you just wont post anymore under the same user name, forever. 
He may not be the greatest to ever play line and LT may not be his position, but last I checked of the two of you, one is drawing a paycheck working out for an NFL team and the other is talking low class on message board. 

[CFB_Fanatic]

So, let me get this straight; we have a better chance of beating SC in Columbia, than beating TCU at HOME? REALLY? And , Yes, Bama is great , but 5% ?!  Hell, Troy , Ark ST and GA Southern have a 5% chance in Tuscaloosa!  I can tell they spent the same five minutes I just did in predicting % of win likelihood in our schedule. What a joke.

Dont see why youre complaining. We have about a good of a chance beating Bama as Troy, Arkansas St, and GA Southern. We havent beaten Bama since GHW Bush was in office. I think there is a team mentality of getting beat when we play them. 5% seems about on point to me

[CFB_Fanatic]

No way the Hogs lose to 'escort' U this fall, no way.  Might be the hogs easiest conference game.

Dont bet the farm or grandma may not be happy come winter

[gchamblee]

I'm sorry and I have nothing against you, but I'm on a couple of pay sites with a great community of former hogville posters that say the same. It is what it is man whether true or not. Sometimes perception is truth and sometimes truth is perception.



I guess a mod calling someone lowclass like a bum brings out some fire. I had an opinion that a moderator didn't like and it was a low class opinion.... that's trash.

Hogville is a cool piece of watermelon on a warm sunny day. Youre a seed.

[southeasthog]

Dan Skipper cost of the 2014 A&M game.  I remember how pissed I was when Jonathan Williams broke away with that incredible run to ice the game -  and then it was called back because of Dan Skipper's trip.  We had that game,  and the loss effected the rest of the reason.  I also believe it directly effected the 2016 game that we barely lost.  Had we won the first one,  I think we would have won the second.

Basically,  Dan Skipper had a big hand in causing our woes against Texas AM.  He seemed to always get penalties at key moments in games; the worst time.

How about missing a fieldgoal with 2:29 to go that would have put us up by 10. No Skipper did not lose us that game. Team effort as all games are.


And this....

I also believe it directly effected the 2016 game that we barely lost. 

Getting a penalty in 2014 affected the 2016 game? That's moronic.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I'm sorry and I have nothing against you, but I'm on a couple of pay sites with a great community of former hogville posters that say the same. It is what it is man whether true or not. Sometimes perception is truth and sometimes truth is perception.



I guess a mod calling someone lowclass like a bum brings out some fire. I had an opinion that a moderator didn't like and it was a low class opinion.... that's trash.

When an adult on a fan board feels it is necessary to take shots at a former player who sacrificed playing his best position for playing the position that the team needed him to play, even if he couldn't achieve at the highest possible levels, yes, I will refer to that as low class. I didn't call you a bum, those are your words. You can hide behind the "but it's my opinion" thing all you want, but we all make choices about that which we post.

[GuvHog]

Dont see why youre complaining. We have about a good of a chance beating Bama as Troy, Arkansas St, and GA Southern. We havent beaten Bama since GHW Bush was in office. I think there is a team mentality of getting beat when we play them. 5% seems about on point to me

The last time the Hogs beat Bama was in 2006 when George Bush the younger was President.

[Steef]

Hey! How 'bout that article in the OP!?

Interesting read, dontcha think?

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Hey! How 'bout that article in the OP!?

Interesting read, dontcha think?

Very detailed.

[Steef]

Getting back to the article, there is a contrast between the underlying truth there...and what appears to me that Hogville is saying these days.

Lately, Hogville has been moaning about "those last two games" and the second half breakdown we had.

The article makes the point that our second half sucking....hasnt been limited to "those last two games".

We've sucked in the second half often, since Bret took over. Particularly vs TAMU.

[hawgon]

Beginning with Rutgers in his first year, we've lost two to three games a year by literally throwing them away.  The complaint was the same at Wisconsin as well.  Even in their very best years, there was at least one completely head scratching loss.

This is the biggest reason I'm down on Bielema.  He has been coaching 12 years or so now.  This isn't an anomaly, this is who and what he is.  With him, a nine win season will always be a seven win season.  A seven win season a five win season.  And that truly special team, a nine win season.  WE WILL NEVER live up to our potential whatever it is with him as coach. 

[Tusks]

Dont bet the farm or grandma may not be happy come winter

betting the farm, cat house, hell the entire red lite district.  The hogs easiest conference game will be these idiots.  They haven't recruited crap in 3 years.  Some hot shot with an arm don't mean diddly.

[factchecker]

Beginning with Rutgers in his first year, we've lost two to three games a year by literally throwing them away.  The complaint was the same at Wisconsin as well.  Even in their very best years, there was at least one completely head scratching loss.

This is the biggest reason I'm down on Bielema.  He has been coaching 12 years or so now.  This isn't an anomaly, this is who and what he is.  With him, a nine win season will always be a seven win season.  A seven win season a five win season.  And that truly special team, a nine win season.  WE WILL NEVER live up to our potential whatever it is with him as coach.

What was the head scratching loss in 2006?

They went 12-1 on a season where they weren't even ranked in the pre-season.  The only loss they had was to 11-2 Michigan.  They also beat a pretty good team (the SEC West division champs) in the bowl game.

[Wildhog]

betting the farm, cat house, hell the entire red lite district.  The hogs easiest conference game will be these idiots.  They haven't recruited crap in 3 years.  Some hot shot with an arm don't mean diddly.

I mean, the 2016 class was ranked 7th in the country.

[factchecker]

I mean, the 2016 class was ranked 7th in the country.

We are 3-1 against the best teams that Mississippi could buy.  They've lost their head coach.  They've lost a ton of talent over the years. We still have fans picking (and probably wanting) Ole Miss to win. Crazy.

[Wildhog]

We are 3-1 against the best teams that Mississippi could buy.  They've lost their head coach.  They've lost a ton of talent over the years. We still have fans picking (and probably wanting) Ole Miss to win. Crazy.

Don't misinterpret my post.  I think they'll have a JLS-type year. 

I'm just saying they've got enough talent to be dangerous on any given saturday.