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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #50 on: August 08, 2017, 07:15:23 am »

It keeps getting more unfair each year.  I know schools like that need the revenue to carry on but enough is enough...
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #51 on: August 08, 2017, 07:18:10 am »

The stadium isn't crappy but it isn't close to being on the same level with DWRRS either.

I've been there and crappy is maybe too nice a word to use for that place.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #52 on: August 08, 2017, 07:19:02 am »

It's a crappy situation for FAMU for sure.

However, road trips can be awesome.


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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #53 on: August 08, 2017, 08:43:00 am »

I've been there and crappy is maybe too nice a word to use for that place.

You must been wearing a blinder then because it isn't crappy.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2017, 09:35:26 am »

Who shares in the reward of these overmatched teams getting their brains beaten out for a paycheck?  The coaches in the form of higher salaries?  The administrators?   Apparently not the players, who after years of the school scheduling these drubbings are still riding a bus halfway across the country to play four days after their last game.

This type of matchup is one of the very worst things about college football.  I can't believe anyone enjoys this aspect of the game.
Agreed...don't the Hogs ride the bus to this "home" game also?  Crazy stupid...on so many levels.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2017, 09:36:59 am »

That sux.

They may be an opponent but no one should have to go through that.
Payday, suck it up....
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2017, 09:41:51 am »

Why because they choose not to fly the entire team for a game that means NOTHING but a 750K payout! You think Title XI has been a monster for P-5 schools...think what it does for your lower tier schools.

Which, from a strictly financial standpoint, is why they should drop football, or at least drop to a division where it is not a scholarship sport. Then they would not have to balance that with a women's sport, which loses money AND requires scholarships.

What I mean about pretending is those schools that keep pretending they are FBS or in many cases even FCS level in football. IF you have to travel from Florida to Arkansas, by land, sea or air, for a 750K payout, then you are pretending. 
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2017, 10:04:45 am »

Which, from a strictly financial standpoint, is why they should drop football, or at least drop to a division where it is not a scholarship sport. Then they would not have to balance that with a women's sport, which loses money AND requires scholarships.

What I mean about pretending is those schools that keep pretending they are FBS or in many cases even FCS level in football. IF you have to travel from Florida to Arkansas, by land, sea or air, for a 750K payout, then you are pretending.

By your criteria you just eliminated majority of programs outside of the P-5 and probably a few them too! The train left a long time ago there is no way to get big money out of NCAA sports. It has created the haves and have nots.  Even UA is looking for payout games do you really think they would be looking at schools like Michigan and Notre Dame if it wasn't for the money?
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2017, 10:14:11 am »

By your criteria you just eliminated majority of programs outside of the P-5 and probably a few them too! The train left a long time ago there is no way to get big money out of NCAA sports. It has created the haves and have nots.  Even UA is looking for payout games do you really think they would be looking at schools like Michigan and Notre Dame if it wasn't for the money?

I think it's simple, it's became  necessary to play at least one power team, not for money but prestige.  Don't all the elite team do it?  Do you think they do it for money?  Yes of course money is involved but that has little to do with why they don't just play another rent a team at home ever year where they would maximize their earnings.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2017, 10:23:05 am »

By your criteria you just eliminated majority of programs outside of the P-5 and probably a few them too! The train left a long time ago there is no way to get big money out of NCAA sports. It has created the haves and have nots.  Even UA is looking for payout games do you really think they would be looking at schools like Michigan and Notre Dame if it wasn't for the money?

Of course those games are about money, but in a different way. Those are maximizing revenue, and both teams get a home game out of the deal. Arkansas is not simply going on the road 2 or3 times a year to get slaughtered for a check.

I have contended for a long time that the highest level of football needs to be no more than 80 teams, divided into 4-6 conferences. Everyone else needs to be fcs or a division lower, divide up geographically, get whatever media money they can get, and go play.

And yes, I would kick about half the teams out of the current FBS level. Teams like Eastern Michigan, Buffalo, Akron ( since joining d1 in 1987 they have 8 winning seasons & have only won more than 7 games 1 time ) being fbs is a joke. Often they only meet the criteria to stay fbs because of playing loose with the rules on what counts as a home game, how they count attendance, etc
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2017, 10:56:10 am »

Of course those games are about money, but in a different way. Those are maximizing revenue, and both teams get a home game out of the deal. Arkansas is not simply going on the road 2 or3 times a year to get slaughtered for a check.

I have contended for a long time that the highest level of football needs to be no more than 80 teams, divided into 4-6 conferences. Everyone else needs to be fcs or a division lower, divide up geographically, get whatever media money they can get, and go play.

And yes, I would kick about half the teams out of the current FBS level. Teams like Eastern Michigan, Buffalo, Akron ( since joining d1 in 1987 they have 8 winning seasons & have only won more than 7 games 1 time ) being fbs is a joke. Often they only meet the criteria to stay fbs because of playing loose with the rules on what counts as a home game, how they count attendance, etc

FAMU is maximizing their revenue! No team in their conference will earn them a 750K pay day. Just because Arkansas has a better chance of winning it's pad day game (debatable). Doesn't make their intention any more noble. Notre Dame football been around 200 years why play them now...because of the money. Prestige...maybe but neither program has been top to the mountain in decades so it is what is, a good way to earn money and get some exposure. Same as FAMU.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2017, 11:18:46 am »

FAMU is maximizing their revenue! No team in their conference will earn them a 750K pay day. Just because Arkansas has a better chance of winning it's pad day game (debatable). Doesn't make their intention any more noble. Notre Dame football been around 200 years why play them now...because of the money. Prestige...maybe but neither program has been top to the mountain in decades so it is what is, a good way to earn money and get some exposure. Same as FAMU.

Arkansas does not have to play ND to keep their program afloat, FAMU has to do this 3 or 4 times a year just to have a program.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2017, 11:21:03 am »

Alex Wood is their head coach??? Didn't realize he was an Iowa guy like CBB, and had landed a HC job.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2017, 01:54:06 pm »

Arkansas does not have to play ND to keep their program afloat, FAMU has to do this 3 or 4 times a year just to have a program.

Actually the only money game FAMU plays is with the UA all the other games on the schedule are against HBCU's. I am surprised that FAMU has enough players on scholarship to be able to play against a FBS team. 
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2017, 07:34:36 pm »

Toledo

Don't be muddling up my PTSD again please.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2017, 06:39:00 am »

Depending on the type of bus it could be worse.  In a Greyhound type bus they can lean back, stretch out and move around a bit.  Not the way I'd choose to travel but, hey...they don't have our budget. 
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2017, 06:42:24 am »

Not the way I'd choose to travel but, hey...they don't have our budget.

Our team will be taking a bus to the game as well.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2017, 09:02:37 am »

Our team will be taking a bus to the game as well.

HOgs have to pay for this game twice, a check to FAMU and then I guess they still pay to rent the stadium for a home game, maybe FAMU is the smarter program.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2017, 09:09:53 am »

HOgs have to pay for this game twice, a check to FAMU and then I guess they still pay to rent the stadium for a home game, maybe FAMU is the smarter program.

No doubt FAMU is smarter in this case! The insane idea of not playing in-state schools. If UAPB was able why send 750K back to Florida?
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2017, 09:17:24 am »

No doubt FAMU is smarter in this case! The insane idea of not playing in-state schools. If UAPB was able why send 750K back to Florida?

Pretty sure the University of Arkansas system sends UAPB  a lot of money annually. 😋
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2017, 09:38:00 am »

Pretty sure the University of Arkansas system sends UAPB  a lot of money annually. 😋

Right and in return UAPB provides the UA a way to accomplish a mission that the UA can't or doesn't want to do. What return does UA get sending money to Florida?
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2017, 09:48:20 am »

Right and in return UAPB provides the UA a way to accomplish a mission that the UA can't or doesn't want to do. What return does UA get sending money to Florida?

what return do they get sending money to UAPB?

Why doesn't Ohio State just play 4 instate schools every year for their OOC games? Michigan could do the same, as could all the Texas schools, California schools, Louisiana & Florida schools too. Lousiana legislature had to pass a law making LSU play the instate schools on a rotating basis. If Texas was not in the same conf with other in state schools, they would never play, same for Cali schools. The Florida schools play, but those games often help their schedule strength.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #72 on: August 09, 2017, 09:49:41 am »

Right and in return UAPB provides the UA a way to accomplish a mission that the UA can't or doesn't want to do. What return does UA get sending money to Florida?

What mission would that be?
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2017, 09:50:22 am »

Right and in return UAPB provides the UA a way to accomplish a mission that the UA can't or doesn't want to do. What return does UA get sending money to Florida?

Florida coverage on TV and newspapers for Hogs. Not hard to understand.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2017, 10:01:21 am »

The sucky part of this deal isn't the bus ride.  It's the Saturday - Thursday turnaround.  No one should have to do that.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2017, 10:04:56 am »

What mission would that be?

Providing educational and athletic scholarships opportunities for minorities that cannot afford or qualify to go to UA.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2017, 10:07:43 am »

Florida coverage on TV and newspapers for Hogs. Not hard to understand.

You honestly believe the lead story for media is going to be the 70-0 win? Beating FAMU does NOTHING to improve our standing in Florida.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2017, 10:12:02 am »

It's not like they are on a bus to Belize. They'll be fine



Wait... I guess it depends on where in LR they get off the bus at. It could be like Belize
Hey, I'm from Belize and I resent that! 😡😃
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2017, 10:13:06 am »

Providing educational and athletic scholarships opportunities for minorities that cannot afford or qualify to go to UA.

Umm, that happens anyway.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #79 on: August 09, 2017, 10:19:57 am »

Umm, that happens anyway.

Some but not much. Let me rephrase:

Providing educational and athletic scholarships opportunities for minorities that cannot afford or qualify to go to UA.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #80 on: August 09, 2017, 10:26:18 am »

Some but not much. Let me rephrase:

Providing educational and athletic scholarships opportunities for minorities that cannot afford or qualify to go to UA.

I do not follow unless you are saying that by playing UAPB we could GIVE free tuition to some kids who can't get into school. Otherwise, there are MANY opportunities for minority kids to get grants and scholarships if they meet the admission requirements of grades and test scores.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #81 on: August 09, 2017, 10:27:39 am »

I do not follow unless you are saying that by playing UAPB we could GIVE free tuition to some kids who can't get into school. Otherwise, there are MANY opportunities for minority kids to get grants and scholarships if they meet the admission requirements of grades and test scores.

Here is one example:

Silas Hunt Scholarship

Annual award up to $5000 or $8000 per year
Renewable for 4 years (5 years for Architecture and MAT students) with 30 hours per year and 3.00 GPA
Awarded to students from underrepresented communities who have demonstrated outstanding academic leadership qualities and potential. Members of underrepresented communities include but are not limited to: students from underrepresented ethnic or minority groups, students with interest in a field that does not typically attract members of their ethnicity or gender, students who reside in an underrepresented county in Arkansas, and first-generation college students.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #82 on: August 09, 2017, 10:53:10 am »

You're comparing apples to oranges. UAPB has an open enrollment policy meaning if you can graduate high school and have the money or get grants or loans they'll basically admit you. UA...no it's not like that and though it's not the strictest in the nation or anything like that a lot kids many kids that cannot meet those standard go to UAPB or UAM. Like I said before two different schools with different missions.

The Silas Hunt is a great scholarship but how many students get one? Last I saw UA has just over a 1000 black students. Now if you took away those that were there on athletic scholarships...I realize that athletes must meet the enrollment criteria just like everyone else. UA and UAPB need each other to provide as many educational opportunities as they can. So when you say UA sends money to UAPB it's not accurate and misleading it's the University SYSTEM. I get that if Fayetteville wants to send 750K of their money earned to Florida it's their prerogative but that same 750K good be used to benefit of helping other schools in the system. I see no such benefit sending it to FAMU.
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« Reply #83 on: August 09, 2017, 10:58:43 am »

You're comparing apples to oranges. UAPB has an open enrollment policy meaning if you can graduate high school and have the money or get grants or loans they'll basically admit you. UA...no it's not like that and though it's not the strictest in the nation or anything like that a lot kids many kids that cannot meet those standard go to UAPB or UAM. Like I said before two different schools with different missions.

The Silas Hunt is a great scholarship but how many students get one? Last I saw UA has just over a 1000 black students. Now if you took away those that were there on athletic scholarships...I realize that athletes must meet the enrollment criteria just like everyone else. UA and UAPB need each other to provide as many educational opportunities as they can. So when you say UA sends money to UAPB it's not accurate and misleading it's the University SYSTEM. I get that if Fayetteville wants to send 750K of their money earned to Florida it's their prerogative but that same 750K good be used to benefit of helping other schools in the system. I see no such benefit sending it to FAMU.

What would help alot of schools in the system is to stop spending $ on football. It is a money pit for most schools. Even alot of fbs level teams lose money on football.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #84 on: August 09, 2017, 11:06:17 am »

What would help alot of schools in the system is to stop spending $ on football. It is a money pit for most schools. Even alot of fbs level teams lose money on football.

Probably...but that's a separate argument and your solution of closing all programs down that are not financially solvent, will never happen
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« Reply #85 on: August 09, 2017, 11:11:12 am »

Probably...but that's a separate argument and your solution of closing all programs down that are not financially solvent, will never happen

It is not a solution, because I know it will never happen. But to bemoan the plight of schools that continue to throw $ down the football hole is a bit misleading. If they were not dropping however much they are on football, think how many more scholarships they could award for academics.
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« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2017, 11:13:26 am »

The policy is not to play in-state schools, I don't think any of us expect it to change anytime soon. As for "keeping" the money in-state, we all use the same currency across the nation, it doesn't matter what state you receive it in, lol.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2017, 11:17:08 am »

Actually, FAMU is only getting $700,000, the band isn't coming.

https://twitter.com/TyThomason/status/895278111620829188
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« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2017, 11:30:35 am »

It is not a solution, because I know it will never happen. But to bemoan the plight of schools that continue to throw $ down the football hole is a bit misleading. If they were not dropping however much they are on football, think how many more scholarships they could award for academics.

Not really disagreeing with you on that other than that's not the reality of the situation. At any rate the question of UA playing UAPB is mute for two reason by State Law and the NCAA forbids it because UAPB currently doesn't have enough scholarship players.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2017, 11:40:09 am »

The policy is not to play in-state schools, I don't think any of us expect it to change anytime soon. As for "keeping" the money in-state, we all use the same currency across the nation, it doesn't matter what state you receive it in, lol.

The "keeping" money in state argument is the possibly the most fallacious of all the ones trotted out as a reason to play an in-state program.

 
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« Reply #90 on: August 09, 2017, 11:41:04 am »

HOgs have to pay for this game twice, a check to FAMU and then I guess they still pay to rent the stadium for a home game, maybe FAMU is the smarter program.

I don't think the U of A pays rent to play in WMS any more. I believe the U of A gets the ticket money while WMS gets the concession money and non-reserved parking money.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #91 on: August 09, 2017, 11:41:28 am »

The "keeping" money in state argument is the possibly the most fallacious of all the ones trotted out as a reason to play an in-state program.

 

Explain?
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #92 on: August 09, 2017, 11:51:55 am »

I don't think the U of A pays rent to play in WMS any more. I believe the U of A gets the ticket money while WMS gets the concession money and non-reserved parking money.

You are correct about the rental fee being waived:

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Arkansas won't, however, pay a rental fee for the 2017 and 2018 games; it has been paying $75,000 per game

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/10043834/arkansas-razorbacks-cut-back-games-war-memorial-stadium
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #93 on: August 09, 2017, 12:07:52 pm »

You are correct about the rental fee being waived:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/10043834/arkansas-razorbacks-cut-back-games-war-memorial-stadium

They should not have to give up concessions either, but thankfully that becomes a moot point after 2018 as well. Unless they do something really stupid like extend the contract.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #94 on: August 09, 2017, 12:17:19 pm »

You are correct about the rental fee being waived:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/10043834/arkansas-razorbacks-cut-back-games-war-memorial-stadium

Shows they were paying $400,000/YR for three years under that agreement.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #95 on: August 09, 2017, 12:22:12 pm »

Shows they were paying $400,000/YR for three years under that agreement.

I think that was so we could reduce games from 2 to 1 at WMS.  It was pretty much a buyout.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #96 on: August 09, 2017, 12:23:43 pm »

They should not have to give up concessions either, but thankfully that becomes a moot point after 2018 as well. Unless they do something really stupid like extend the contract.

Sure the should give up concessions at WMS. The concession stands there are owned, stocked an operated by WMS so they should get that money. Now if the U of A was stocking and running those concession stands, I would agree with you.

I'd doubt the U of A signs a new contract with WMS. If they were, one would think that negotiations would be in progress and the media would know it.

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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #97 on: August 09, 2017, 12:40:24 pm »

Sure the should give up concessions at WMS. The concession stands there are owned, stocked an operated by WMS so they should get that money. Now if the U of A was stocking and running those concession stands, I would agree with you.

I'd doubt the U of A signs a new contract with WMS. If they were, one would think that negotiations would be in progress and the media would know it.



Did you know they were in discussions to cut back to one game, when they made the other reductions?
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #98 on: August 09, 2017, 12:48:10 pm »

Did you know they were in discussions to cut back to one game, when they made the other reductions?

Yes, the media released the news that the U of A athletic department was in negotiations with WMS before the reductions happened. Heck, the whole state knew that there was going to be a special meeting of the BOT where Frank was going to present the plans for the renovation and expansion of Razorback Stadium and the first reduction of games in WMS.
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Re: FAMU to ride bus to the Rock
« Reply #99 on: August 09, 2017, 12:52:34 pm »

Sure the should give up concessions at WMS. The concession stands there are owned, stocked an operated by WMS so they should get that money. Now if the U of A was stocking and running those concession stands, I would agree with you.

I'd doubt the U of A signs a new contract with WMS. If they were, one would think that negotiations would be in progress and the media would know it.



If the Hogs were not playing there, nothing would be being sold.
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