Has Arkansas done 'that' bad in the SEC? Fact Sheet:

[Michael_E_Davis]

Here is Arkansas' win percentage and total:  data from Winsipedia

Opponent   Record   Win %
Vanderbilt   7-2-0   77.8%
Mississippi State   15-9-1   62.0%
Texas A&M   41-27-3   59.9%
South Carolina   13-9-0   59.1%
Ole Miss   33-27-1   54.9%
Auburn   10-13-1   43.8%
Kentucky   3-4-0   42.9%
LSU   21-37-2   36.7%
Missouri   2-4-0   33.3%
Alabama   8-17-0   32.0%
Georgia   4-10-0   28.6%
Tennessee   4-13-0   23.5%
Florida   1-9-0   10.0%
TOTAL   162-181-8   (47.3%)


Ranking of SEC teams based on win percentage:   Source:  Saturday Down South.

4. Vanderbilt: 133-397-19 (.242)
Joined league: 1933

13. Kentucky: 158-331-12 (.315)
Joined league: 1933

12. Mississippi State: 181-350-13 (.332)
Joined league: 1933

11. South Carolina: 81-102-1 (.440)
Joined league: 1992

10. Arkansas: 82-100-2 (.451)
Joined league: 1992

9. Ole Miss: 252-262-25 (.467)
Joined league: 1933

8. Texas A&M: 13-11-0 (.542)
Joined league: 2012

7. Auburn: 302-235-18 (.544)
Joined league: 1933

6. LSU: 308-214-22 (.566)
Joined league: 1933

5. Florida: 306-214-15 (.572)
Joined league: 1933

4. Georgia: 310-203-14 (.588)
Joined league: 1933

3. Tennessee: 325-192-19 (.606)
Joined league: 1933

2. Missouri: 16-8-0 (.667)
Joined league: 2012

1. Alabama: 377-166-20 (.688)
Joined league: 1933

One can make up their own mind if we have done well in the SEC so far,  after joining in 1992.  As you can see,  compared with most of he other schools (baring Texas AM and Missouri)  we are new to the conference. The other teams have been in the SEC since the 1930s,  which obviously would give them a win total advantage - especially when the SEC was NOT what it is today back then.  47% so far? I don't think it's that bad.   

[jst01]

It's not good. We have a winning record against 5 of the teams, one of which is Vandy and another is A&M, which we haven't beaten since they joined the conference.  It is what it is tho...we just exist in the SEC. We don't scare anyone, we don't threaten to win it, we are just here.

[RME]

One can make up their own mind if we have done well in the SEC so far,  after joining in 1992.  As you can see,  compared with most of he other schools (baring Texas AM and Missouri)  we are new to the conference. The other teams have been in the SEC since the 1930s,  which obviously would give them a win total advantage - especially when the SEC was NOT what it is today back then.  47% so far? I don't think it's that bad.

Doing something at 47% is pretty ** in a lot of things.

[Michael_E_Davis]

Doing something at 47% is pretty ** in a lot of things.

I am with you.  I would hope for some improvement. if my daughter brought home a paper with a 47% score,  I wouldn't be happy, and we would have to have a talk.  But, this is football,  in the toughest conference.  I am just saying that I don't think that percentage is enough for me to support leaving the SEC.

[Razorbackers]

Doing something at 47% is pretty ** in a lot of things.

In baseball, if you hit the ball 30% of the time you'll go into the hall of fame.

[RME]

In baseball, if you hit the ball 30% of the time you'll go into the hall of fame.

Is this baseball? In basketball if you shoot 47% from the field you're also doing okay. In football if have a completion percentage of 47% you won't have a job.

Notice I said "in a lot of things," and not "in everything." We can cherry-pick all day. But if under 50% is cool with you, then go for it.

[HamSammich]

In baseball, if you hit the ball 30% of the time you'll go into the hall of fame.

If you hit the number in roulette just 5% of the time you are rich.

[hogcard1964]

Here is Arkansas' win percentage and total:  data from Winsipedia

Opponent   Record   Win %
Vanderbilt   7-2-0   77.8%
Mississippi State   15-9-1   62.0%
Texas A&M   41-27-3   59.9%
South Carolina   13-9-0   59.1%
Ole Miss   33-27-1   54.9%
Auburn   10-13-1   43.8%
Kentucky   3-4-0   42.9%
LSU   21-37-2   36.7%
Missouri   2-4-0   33.3%
Alabama   8-17-0   32.0%
Georgia   4-10-0   28.6%
Tennessee   4-13-0   23.5%
Florida   1-9-0   10.0%
TOTAL   162-181-8   (47.3%)


Ranking of SEC teams based on win percentage:   Source:  Saturday Down South.

4. Vanderbilt: 133-397-19 (.242)
Joined league: 1933

13. Kentucky: 158-331-12 (.315)
Joined league: 1933

12. Mississippi State: 181-350-13 (.332)
Joined league: 1933

11. South Carolina: 81-102-1 (.440)
Joined league: 1992

10. Arkansas: 82-100-2 (.451)
Joined league: 1992

9. Ole Miss: 252-262-25 (.467)
Joined league: 1933

8. Texas A&M: 13-11-0 (.542)
Joined league: 2012

7. Auburn: 302-235-18 (.544)
Joined league: 1933

6. LSU: 308-214-22 (.566)
Joined league: 1933

5. Florida: 306-214-15 (.572)
Joined league: 1933

4. Georgia: 310-203-14 (.588)
Joined league: 1933

3. Tennessee: 325-192-19 (.606)
Joined league: 1933

2. Missouri: 16-8-0 (.667)
Joined league: 2012

1. Alabama: 377-166-20 (.688)
Joined league: 1933

One can make up their own mind if we have done well in the SEC so far,  after joining in 1992.  As you can see,  compared with most of he other schools (baring Texas AM and Missouri)  we are new to the conference. The other teams have been in the SEC since the 1930s,  which obviously would give them a win total advantage - especially when the SEC was NOT what it is today back then.  47% so far? I don't think it's that bad.

That's pretty sobering.

...and awful.

[Hogs49ers]

I am with you.  I would hope for some improvement. if my daughter brought home a paper with a 47% score,  I wouldn't be happy, and we would have to have a talk.  But, this is football,  in the toughest conference.  I am just saying that I don't think that percentage is enough for me to support leaving the SEC.

This is an absolutely stupid comment.

So if your daughter brought home a paper with a 68% score, would you be happy? Bc that is what Bama has and they are arguably the best football school in the country...

I am by no means trying to defend the 47% winning % because that just does not cut it, but I know we have the potential to have some really exciting years of football.  This stat is why I am so shocked that everyone is ready to drop Coach Beliema so quickly and expect that we can do so much better.  The same people expect 10+ winning seasons every year or feel like we have failed...

[Michael_E_Davis]

This is an absolutely stupid comment.

So if your daughter brought home a paper with a 68% score, would you be happy? Bc that is what Bama has and they are arguably the best football school in the country...

I am by no means trying to defend the 47% winning % because that just does not cut it, but I know we have the potential to have some really exciting years of football.  This stat is why I am so shocked that everyone is ready to drop Coach Beliema so quickly and expect that we can do so much better.  The same people expect 10+ winning seasons every year or feel like we have failed...

Well,  You make a good point.  If she brought one a 68% I guess I wouldn't be happy either.  But,  as I said, this is football -  so it's a different comparison.  I was just trying to say that I wasn't exactly happy with 47%,  but for the SEC I don't think it's bad -  and I agree -  I think Arkansas' best times are ahead.

[RazorWest]

This is an absolutely stupid comment.

So if your daughter brought home a paper with a 68% score, would you be happy? Bc that is what Bama has and they are arguably the best football school in the country...

I am by no means trying to defend the 47% winning % because that just does not cut it, but I know we have the potential to have some really exciting years of football.  This stat is why I am so shocked that everyone is ready to drop Coach Beliema so quickly and expect that we can do so much better.  The same people expect 10+ winning seasons every year or feel like we have failed...

Some may have that expectation, but most don't.  The truth is, that since the regular season went to 12 games the Hogs have averaged 8 wins a year (not counting bowl games) prior to CBB showing up.  That includes the JLS year and CBP first year.  I think if CBB can just get the hogs back to their average win percentage that would be a start

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

There should be an off-the-field drama ranking.

[jst01]

There should be an off-the-field drama ranking.

or graduation % rankings.

[Hogs49ers]

Well,  You make a good point.  If she brought one a 68% I guess I wouldn't be happy either.  But,  as I said, this is football -  so it's a different comparison.  I was just trying to say that I wasn't exactly happy with 47%,  but for the SEC I don't think it's bad -  and I agree -  I think Arkansas' best times are ahead.

Sorry, I should not have been so hard on you.  We agree lol.

[Razorbackers]

Is this baseball? In basketball if you shoot 47% from the field you're also doing okay. In football if have a completion percentage of 47% you won't have a job.

Notice I said "in a lot of things," and not "in everything." We can cherry-pick all day. But if under 50% is cool with you, then go for it.

I was just saying everything is relative lol

[Bacons Rebellion]

Mathematical success in winning games is different than mathematical success in other activities.

A won / loss record is a zero sum game. A school paper is not -- somebody else getting a good grade on a paper does not hut you. Batting average is not a zero sum game -- another player getting a hit does not hurt your batting average. (The opposing pitcher's OBP goes up, but batters are not competing against this. You can't compare W/L pct with these percentages.

We should expect to win 50% of our conference games. We have not. We SHOULD be disappointed.

We can look at it a little deeper and complain that we don't regularly play 3 of the 4 teams below us, but is not much solace for me.

Why do we suck? 17 conference losses in a row under John L and the beginning of Bielema's stint. We are 18 games under 500.

[Tusks]

what was the hogs all time win % in the SWC?

[RME]

I was just saying everything is relative lol

Oh yeah I get that, and I agree with that train of thought for sure. And I know that 47% spans a lot of years, but 47% winning percentage for a football team, in this situation, is relatively poor in my opinion at least.

[jabberjawls]

47% is for losers.

[Hogwild]

Here is Arkansas' win percentage and total:  data from Winsipedia

Opponent   Record   Win %
Vanderbilt   7-2-0   77.8%
Mississippi State   15-9-1   62.0%
Texas A&M   41-27-3   59.9%
South Carolina   13-9-0   59.1%
Ole Miss   33-27-1   54.9%
Auburn   10-13-1   43.8%
Kentucky   3-4-0   42.9%
LSU   21-37-2   36.7%
Missouri   2-4-0   33.3%
Alabama   8-17-0   32.0%
Georgia   4-10-0   28.6%
Tennessee   4-13-0   23.5%
Florida   1-9-0   10.0%
TOTAL   162-181-8   (47.3%)



One can make up their own mind if we have done well in the SEC so far,  after joining in 1992.  As you can see,  compared with most of he other schools (baring Texas AM and Missouri)  we are new to the conference. The other teams have been in the SEC since the 1930s,  which obviously would give them a win total advantage - especially when the SEC was NOT what it is today back then.  47% so far? I don't think it's that bad.

We don't have a 47% since joining the SEC.

41 of the 162 victories in your total were against A&M, before they were in the SEC.  We have played LSU 62 times, winning 22 times, but 12 of those wins were prior to 1930.
Also I'm not sure if all of your numbers are right, you listed a 8-17 record against Bama. http://www.mcubed.net/ncaaf/series/al/ark.shtml

Alabama is (20-7) against Arkansas

Average score: Alabama  28.6  - Arkansas  16.4

Per decade
             W     L     T  PFPG  PAPG
  2010's     7     0     0  36.6  13.0
  2000's     6     4     0  29.5  20.7
  1990's     5     3     0  23.4  16.8
  1980's     0     0     0     0     0
  1970's     1     0     0  24.0   9.0
  1960's     1     0     0  10.0   3.0

All games
2016/10/08  Alabama    49  -  Arkansas   30 W                     
2015/10/10  Alabama    27  -  Arkansas   14 W                     
2014/10/11  Alabama    14  -  Arkansas   13 W                     
2013/10/19  Alabama    52  -  Arkansas    0 W                     
2012/09/15  Alabama    52  -  Arkansas    0 W                     
2011/09/24  Alabama    38  -  Arkansas   14 W                     
2010/09/25  Alabama    24  -  Arkansas   20 W                     
2009/09/26  Alabama    35  -  Arkansas    7 W                     
2008/09/20  Alabama    49  -  Arkansas   14 W                     
2007/09/15  Alabama    41  -  Arkansas   38 W                     
2006/09/23  Alabama    23  -  Arkansas   24 L OT                 
2005/09/24  Alabama    24  -  Arkansas   13 W                     
2004/09/25  Alabama    10  -  Arkansas   27 L                     
2003/09/27  Alabama    31  -  Arkansas   34 L OT                 
2002/09/27  Alabama    30  -  Arkansas   12 W                     
2001/09/22  Alabama    31  -  Arkansas   10 W                     
2000/09/23  Alabama    21  -  Arkansas   28 L                     
1999/09/25  Alabama    35  -  Arkansas   28 W                     
1998/09/26  Alabama     6  -  Arkansas   42 L                     
1997/09/20  Alabama    16  -  Arkansas   17 L                     
1996/09/21  Alabama    17  -  Arkansas    7 W                     
1995/09/16  Alabama    19  -  Arkansas   20 L                     
1994/09/17  Alabama    13  -  Arkansas    6 W                     
1993/09/18  Alabama    43  -  Arkansas    3 W                     
1992/09/19  Alabama    38  -  Arkansas   11 W                     
1980/01/01  Alabama    24  -  Arkansas    9 W    !! Sugar Bowl !!
1962/01/01  Alabama    10  -  Arkansas    3 W    !! Sugar Bowl !!
   

[HiggiePiggy]

Should do our record against the teams in just the sec since joining.  Not the all time record against the teams.

[12247]

We came to the SEC from a conference where it was easier for us to win.  Most of us didn't expect your basic 24 year downturn in our overall quality of team.  Admit, not every team during that time was average or bad, but most were.  We've done a lot of wrong things during our SEC period at the management level that directly effects winning.  Some were just plain stupid, some were necessary, but most were moves made by folks who weren't qualified to be making the decisions. 

We are a group that likes to compare.  If you were a singer and made the top 40 playlist, you usually had a fanbase and money in your pocket.  If you had a few top 10s, you likely had a fat bank account.  If you had several top 5's and a few were number 1, you had an huge fanbase, had the best dope, owned a few banks and wasted money like it was exactly what it was to you, basically nothing.  You know, like BAMA is in football right now.   

We are at the bottom end of the top 40.  Don't get a lot of playing time, have a smaller group of groupies, and don't own the banks in the football world.  I believe there is an old Travis Tritt country song that identifies us.  We're gonna be somebody, someday.  Remember, Bobby had dedication, he had his heart and soul but he still usually played on the harder side of town.

[nwahogfan1]

I say Beat the teams we are suppose to beat and then win one or two more and I am happy.  Last year we should not have lost to Missouri. Terrible loss.  We have to win those games plus win some 50/50 games like A&M.   Then and only then will we be respected.


5th year QB so maybe it happens this year. 

[Porkchop#1]

Kind of a flawed comparison..we don't play the weaker SEC teams like Vandy, South Carolina & Kentucky very often, but we always play Bama & LSU.  And the SEC west in general, has been decidedly better over the last 15-20 years than the SEC east.

[Letsroll1200]

It's not good. We have a winning record against 5 of the teams, one of which is Vandy and another is A&M, which we haven't beaten since they joined the conference.  It is what it is tho...we just exist in the SEC. We don't scare anyone, we don't threaten to win it, we are just here.

Sad truth and it dont seem to be getting any better.

[oldbooniehog]

For 27 years, Arkansas is over .500 against only 5 SEC teams.

Arkansas has been second-rate for a while now.

You are what your record says you are.

Math don't lie.

[Porkchop#1]

For 27 years, Arkansas is over .500 against only 5 SEC teams.

Arkansas has been second-rate for a while now.

You are what your record says you are.

Math don't lie.

Actually it lies it's butt off. 

If we played Vandy, Kentucky, So. Car., Tennessee, Miss State & Ole Miss every year, and rarely played Bama, LSU, A&M, Georgia, Florida or Auburn, our record would be much better.

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

what was the hogs all time win % in the SWC?

Im not sure about all time record in the SWC, but even while the hogs were in the SWC their record vs the SEC was like 2-12 or something like that

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

Actually it lies it's butt off. 

If we played Vandy, Kentucky, So. Car., Tennessee, Miss State & Ole Miss every year, and rarely played Bama, LSU, A&M, Georgia, Florida or Auburn, our record would be much better.

And when we finally do play those teams theyre on an uptick. Look at south Carolina this year

[NuttinItUp]

If they played in flip flops, we would win every game.

[DeltaBoy]

People remember Remove Spurrier win total from Florida and they are Worse.

[HiggiePiggy]

People remember Remove Spurrier win total from Florida and they are Worse.

Too bad that isnt how it works. 

[Hogwild]

Im not sure about all time record in the SWC, but even while the hogs were in the SWC their record vs the SEC was like 2-12 or something like that

In bowls games against the SEC we beat UGA twice, Florida, and Ga Tech.
In bowl games against the SEC we lost to UGA twice, Bama twice, Ole Miss twice, Tenner twice, LSU, GA Tech and Auburn.

Overall against the SEC, prior to us joining, (1933-1992)
Ole Miss 16-15-1
Vandy 2-1
UGA 2-2
Miss State 0-2
Bama 0-2
LSU 0-9-1
Auburn 0-1
Tennessee 0-2
Florida 0-1

[hawginbigd1]

If you ignore how bad we were when we joined, and the basically 3 lost seasons from the BP/JLS fiasco then the numbers look pretty bad

[WilsonHog]

I was listening to Tom Luckenbill this afternoon on my drive, and a caller asked him if he thought Nebraska would ever be good again. Luckenbill's point was that eight, nine, or 10 wins a year IS good for Nebraska.

I put us in the same category; any season in which we win 8-10 games at Arkansas is something to be appreciated and celebrated.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I was listening to Tom Luckenbill this afternoon on my drive, and a caller asked him if he thought Nebraska would ever be good again. Luckenbill's point was that eight, nine, or 10 wins a year IS good for Nebraska.

I put us in the same category; any season in which we win 8-10 games at Arkansas is something to be appreciated and celebrated.

That's exactly why the only conference move that I would sanction would be to the Big 12 in conjunction with them being able to add back A&M, Missouri and Nebraska along with us. THAT particular Big 12, combined with current members would be good for everyone involved and for national t.v. revenues. But let's face it, that will never happen. Too big of a deal for the B12 to put together.

[Swineasaur]

or graduation % rankings.

hast tag integrityU

[Cinco de Hogo]

There are different ways to make money than TV revenue shared by conference tv contracts.  Winning generates money, losing well...hurts renevue.  So instead of trying to win we raise prices on everything to make up the difference.  That works if you have a rich enough fan base like the one building in NWA.  However it gives a very different feel to the program that the old time fans are uncomfortable with.  It might work going forward but if it crashes down I think the administration will be wondering what happened to all those fans that keep the program in the black for the first 100 years.

I don't think it matters what conference Arkansas is in as long as we are winning.  We could be a Boise State and we would be just fine.  There was a time The Razorback Foundation had much more money than they have now if I'm not wrong.  Where the money is has changed with these big tv contracts and with rising prices maybe people don't see the need to donate to the private side as much.  There was a time you could depend on money from the RF to do what needed done.  Now it's not needed nearly as much.   What I'm getting to is that there has been a power shift from the RF to the administration and with that the stronger desire to win. 

Ask yourself, who wants to win more, a person who would donate to the RF or a hired administrator.  Maybe few will agree with me but I saw this coming for a long time and have posted my displeasure with the PTB many times.  Broyles leadership when it was at its strongest is also missed.  We haven't had a AD since that thinks winning is important.

[MJ2]

Unfortunately, the last 4 years have been some of the worst.

[DeltaBoy]

We are pi$$ poor in the SEC and we got to get better!

[HiggiePiggy]

Unfortunately, the last 4 years have been some of the worst.

Not just 4 years we have had about 5 good seasons since joining the SEC.

[DeltaBoy]