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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2017, 11:55:30 am »

I am with some of the other people who don't understand a rivalry.  To me, every single game is a rivalry, and I am pumped up about every game we play - whether it be a cupcake team, or Alabama,  I am pumped up for all of them.  So, a so called 'rivalry' game wouldn't change my excitement for Razorback football in the least.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2017, 11:56:57 am »

LSU fans quit thinking of us as even a resemblance of a rivalry when Saban came back to college football to coach a conference foe.  But Bama has owned them off memory, maybe lsu winning 2 of the 10 or so matchups.  The Arkansas vs LSU rivalry was actually more competitive, even though it did not create the TV build up.  LSU fans gave up the thought of the Boot rivalry when their season hinges on beating Bama, which they fail to do now.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2017, 11:58:41 am »

Let Arkansas play in a conference with Oklahoma and you will see a rivalry. The problem with Arkansas and the SEC is proximity. The distance between programs is just to great. Years ago if Arkansas would have been accepted into the Big 8. We would have experienced rivalries and the sense of belonging.  Most older fans know that the only reason Arkansas is even in the SEC is because Florida state wisely said No Thanks.

Yeah, but Oklahoma is not in the SEC,  and anyone suggesting the Razorbacks leave the best, most challenging, respected, and covered conference in football, just so we could have a one game rivalry, would be a complete idiot.  :)
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2017, 11:58:54 am »

Growing up in Texas, I can promise that has never been true.  It's something t-sips and poor widdle Arkansawyers say to feel better about themselves.

Once upon a time, OU, TAMU, and Arkansas were all pretty equally hated by Whorn fans, coaches, and players.

I disagree. Whorn fans and players have always had more hate for OU and TAMU than us.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2017, 12:48:19 pm »

After 25 years in the SEC we still don't have a true rival. Thought it was gonna be Tenner but SEC office saw different. Then we had nice thing going with LSU, but Texas A&M already pulls more weight. So here we are with Misery, lets see how long this last..........
I still think of LSU as our rival. Even though they've beaten us more than we've beaten them I still look at them that way. Could just be my hate for them though. :-\
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2017, 05:01:51 pm »

I worry a lot less about rivals right now than I do beating 8 - 9 opponents in one season. Until we can consistently beat the 7 annual opponents that should not beat us and at least 1 of the 2 annual opponents that are about our traditional equals, I won't care about rivalries. Let's win all four non-conference games and four in the conference regularly first. Then we can worry and wonder about why no one thinks we are a rival.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2017, 05:30:50 pm »

We have a true rival............EVERY team in the SEC is our rival.

The other team has to feel like it’s a rivalry.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2017, 05:35:50 pm »

The other team has to feel like it’s a rivalry.

My point is there is no NEED for any game to be a rivalry game.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2017, 09:32:10 am »

My point is there is no NEED for any game to be a rivalry game.

EXACTLY!
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2017, 09:48:11 am »

My point is there is no NEED for any game to be a rivalry game.

I think especially Arkansas needs a rival game cuz a win against your rival can make a season tolerable. The way it has gone the majority of the last 25 years we need something to make it tolerable. 
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2017, 10:25:16 am »

I think especially Arkansas needs a rival game cuz a win against your rival can make a season tolerable. The way it has gone the majority of the last 25 years we need something to make it tolerable. 

And by "we" you mean the fans, right? This kind of goes along with the thread about how excited are you about each game. Over the last 2 decades, football fans have increasingly become dissatisfied with all but the "big" games.

Apparently gone are the days when Hog ( or any other ) fans gathered around radios or tv's to listen to or watch their teams play against whoever the opponent was. No, now if it is not a "big" name or a "rivalry" the fans just can not get excited about the game. Thank goodness the players do not feel that way or they'd only care about maybe three games a season. 

Your description is also why Texas was never a rivalry. For Texas, their season could be made well or ruined depending on the outcome of the A&M game. If Texas won that, even in a bad season, they could ride that through the winter. However, if they beat the Hogs, but lost to A&M, the season was a failure.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2017, 10:39:23 am »

And by "we" you mean the fans, right? This kind of goes along with the thread about how excited are you about each game. Over the last 2 decades, football fans have increasingly become dissatisfied with all but the "big" games.

Apparently gone are the days when Hog ( or any other ) fans gathered around radios or tv's to listen to or watch their teams play against whoever the opponent was. No, now if it is not a "big" name or a "rivalry" the fans just can not get excited about the game. Thank goodness the players do not feel that way or they'd only care about maybe three games a season. 

Your description is also why Texas was never a rivalry. For Texas, their season could be made well or ruined depending on the outcome of the A&M game. If Texas won that, even in a bad season, they could ride that through the winter. However, if they beat the Hogs, but lost to A&M, the season was a failure.

Maybe your right and it's strictly a generational thing. The town I grew up in there were two high schools and we did not like each other in any sport. I grew up with Celtics/Lakers, Chiefs/Raiders etc.... I disagree on Texas statement. A&M is their biggest rivalry but they still don't like us.....
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2017, 10:47:35 am »


I disagree on Texas statement. A&M is their biggest rivalry but they still don't like us.....


Did not say they liked/did not like the Hogs. But the one team they had to beta every year was A&M.

Maybe your right and it's strictly a generational thing. The town I grew up in there were two high schools and we did not like each other in any sport.


My town as well, and the two schools used to hate each other. I am talking fights when they played, police presence, all that. Now, with school choice, that's gone too. 
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2017, 11:08:14 am »

People like rivalries because they are FUN. 

That should be reason enough to put away the contrarian act in this thread.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2017, 12:19:16 pm »

People like rivalries because they are FUN. 

That should be reason enough to put away the contrarian act in this thread.

So playing Bama/LSU/A&M/Aub/old misses/msu/tcu isn't fun?
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2017, 01:51:45 pm »

So playing Bama/LSU/A&M/Aub/old misses/msu/tcu isn't fun?

More fun than playing Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, SMU
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2017, 02:05:06 pm »

So playing Bama/LSU/A&M/Aub/old misses/msu/tcu isn't fun?
Of course it is.  But that in no way negates the fun of a rivalry game.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #67 on: August 02, 2017, 02:15:51 pm »

Fan interest and F.U.N.= winning
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #68 on: August 02, 2017, 02:17:03 pm »

I think especially Arkansas needs a rival game cuz a win against your rival can make a season tolerable. The way it has gone the majority of the last 25 years we need something to make it tolerable. 

What part of every opponent we play is a rival is so hard to understand.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2017, 03:29:44 pm »

What part of every opponent we play is a rival is so hard to understand.

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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2017, 04:09:27 pm »

We have a true rival............EVERY team in the SEC is our rival.
Thats the way it is in a conference of powerhouses - almost every game is a high stakes barnburner.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2017, 04:34:07 pm »

Main reason we were added to the SEC was Frank.   Other than basketball and track at the time, we didn't bring much to the table when you think of population/television base, etc.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2017, 04:43:24 pm »

Texas A&M may be our only true current rival.

After all, they are the only team we play right now on a yearly basis that we played when we were in the Southwest Conference.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2017, 06:28:38 pm »

Texas A&M may be our only true current rival.

After all, they are the only team we play right now on a yearly basis that we played when we were in the Southwest Conference.

If you use the strict definition of a rival stated on this thread, the only rival we could ever have in SEC  is South Carolina, Texas A&M and Missouri.  We never had a rival in SWC ....
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #74 on: August 08, 2017, 09:12:51 am »

Win the SEC a couple times and the rivalry games will create themselves.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #75 on: August 08, 2017, 09:19:20 am »

After 25 years in the SEC we still don't have a true rival. Thought it was gonna be Tenner but SEC office saw different. Then we had nice thing going with LSU, but Texas A&M already pulls more weight. So here we are with Misery, lets see how long this last..........

Let's see how long this lasts? ?? 
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #76 on: August 08, 2017, 09:27:31 am »

After 25 years in the SEC we still don't have a true rival. Thought it was gonna be Tenner but SEC office saw different. Then we had nice thing going with LSU, but Texas A&M already pulls more weight. So here we are with Misery, lets see how long this last..........

Let's see how long this lasts? ?? 
Mizzou fans HAVE to have a rival since they lost one in Kansas. We are the better program historically. It's uncanny we haven't proved it on the field against them. It is still early in our history of playing them though. Lot's of time to even that deal out.

Not really.  Beat them this year and the series "rivalry" is tied 2-2.  To me they are a nothing and we should beat them every year.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #77 on: August 08, 2017, 09:31:44 am »

Missouri has 5 wins to Arkansas 3 wins in the all-time series. That's all that really matters to me.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #78 on: August 08, 2017, 10:00:03 am »

Most rivalries nation wide are created by 2 teams that are nearly the same level and in the same state. Ie....Georgia/GT  Louisville/Kentucky. Ole Piss/ Miss St. Oregon/Oregon St. and so on.

Aren't you forgetting  Army-Navy,  Michigan-Ohio State, Oklahoma-Texas, Florida-Georgia,   Notre Dame-So. Cal,  just to name a few.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #79 on: August 08, 2017, 10:06:32 am »

I disagree. Whorn fans and players have always had more hate for OU and TAMU than us.

Correct ....I don't think horn fans and players  hated Arkansas at all.   Probably, because they  beat us.   
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #80 on: August 08, 2017, 10:24:56 am »

All I care about is going toe to toe with our peers. If we're worth a damn our game will have extra meaning. If we're not then it won't. Yeah the SEC is tougher. We're not eight-deep in Texas schools, and nearly every game has table stakes. I don't see any value in fretting over who our one true Rival is. They're all games worth getting excited about.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2017, 12:06:54 pm »

Aren't you forgetting  Army-Navy,  Michigan-Ohio State, Oklahoma-Texas, Florida-Georgia,   Notre Dame-So. Cal,  just to name a few.
He said "and so on". If you want to name every rivalry start your own thread
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #82 on: August 08, 2017, 12:16:21 pm »

Aren't you forgetting  Army-Navy,  Michigan-Ohio State, Oklahoma-Texas, Florida-Georgia,   Notre Dame-So. Cal,  just to name a few.

Ok, so? These were all started decades ago, and many were either conference or border games or both. Then of course you have the service academies, and two of the most storied programs in college football in usc/nd.

Rivalries take years, decades, to develop. You dont just say " hey we need a rivalry so the fans can get jacked up about it since playing Bama/Aub/LSU/A&M/old misses/msu/tn/fla/ just does not do it for them " and you suddenly have a rivalry. Thats not how that works.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #83 on: August 08, 2017, 12:54:31 pm »

Win the SEC a couple times and the rivalry games will create themselves.

So are you saying forget having a rivalry?
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #84 on: August 08, 2017, 07:27:48 pm »

LSU was about to be a rivalry.  Then A&M screwed it all up.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #85 on: August 08, 2017, 07:40:08 pm »

LSU was about to be a rivalry.  Then A&M screwed it all up.

We still play them. Every year. Plenty of rivalries don't play on Thanksgiving.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #86 on: August 10, 2017, 01:08:36 pm »

Correct ....I don't think horn fans and players  hated Arkansas at all.   Probably, because they  beat us.
Look at the overall record between us and TCU and you will clearly see how many more times we've beaten TCU than they've beaten us so that can't be the reason. We pretty much dominated TCU when we were in the SWC. The conference title usually came down to Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma.

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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #87 on: August 10, 2017, 03:24:13 pm »

Most here don't seem to recall our games with ut.

They may not have thought of us as a rival but we sure thought so of them.  Sometimes it would take us a quarter to settle in, sometimes a half.  Sometimes we never did get settled and playing our game.  Did you notice how many more games they won than we did in the series?  How many of us remember some boneheaded mistake that cost us the game because some player or other was trying to make more out of a play?

Shoot, how many remember our coaches taking gambles that they would not ordinarily take?  1969 anybody?

I bring this up to say maybe it's best if we don't have a rivalry game.  Let's just beat em all and let them all gnash their teeth.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2017, 09:14:39 am »

Because we have fans that would rather still hate Texas and cheer on Alabama to win championships so we can chant SEC! SEC! SEC!

It's sickening.


^^^^^^This all day long
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2017, 09:22:42 am »

The people that are dying for a rivalry are the ones that will be happy with a yearly 6-6 or 7-5 record as long as the Hogs beat that so called "rival."

Pump out double digit win seasons and this rival talk will be like smoke in the wind.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #90 on: August 11, 2017, 09:40:57 am »

Definition of a RIVAL: noun 1. a person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity."he has no serious rival for the job" synonyms:   opponent, challenger, competitor, contender; More  verb 1. compete for superiority with; be or seem to be equal or comparable to.

Definition of a RIVALRY: competition for the same objective or for superiority in the same field.

So pretty much every game, and especially SEC games are rivalry games because both teams are competing for the same objective - TO WIN THE GAME.
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #91 on: August 11, 2017, 02:03:10 pm »

(Field of Dreams Voice) "If you win they will hate!" I say if we win the SEC championship (or compete there 3-4x) over the course of the next 10 years, we would not be referred to as a minor in a major!!!!!! Just win and if possible win big
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Re: Who would of thunk it...
« Reply #92 on: August 11, 2017, 03:22:40 pm »

By "the days when we played for national championships" you mean "over 50 years ago"
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