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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2017, 09:02:42 pm »

If Jeff Long has a lick of sense, he'll cancel that Nike contract - heck, pay the buyout if there is one - and switch to Sketchers.  Most comfortable shoe out there.  And if it's good enough for Matt Kuchar, hey...

Y'allllll....whatever is causing the foot injuries, it is NOT the Nikes. We have the same Nikes as every other Nike school in country, schools who are not having this sudden uptick in broken feet. This is the most easy theory to disprove. IF there is a cause other than bad luck, which I think there is (see Bell injury thread), then it must be something Arkansas specific: practice style, S&C program, nutrition plan, etc.

I have seen nutrition floated around a lot too. That is possible, but also is unlikely, as with the addition of the new athlete cafeteria, our athletes have been eating better than they ever have. Only people inside the program know what changed starting in 2015. They need to do their best to identify it.

FWIW, I think the last broken foot before 2015 was Kiero Small in 2012. We have had 8 in the last 2 years.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2017, 10:03:18 pm »

I'm unsure how to feel.  It does seem to be way too many foot injuries.  I don't know enough where to look for reasons. It could be a simple as they report it different than other schools, to diet, to practice things or building up too much upper bulk without making sure the under carriage can support it.  I do not know.  It just seems odd.  I look at my foot.  It seems to carry me perfect.  Would it if I added 50 pounds then was expect to do the same things?  I'm clueless.  As for shoes I'm not sure about that.  Yes I prefer New Balance if I'm going to have to run.  However I doubt any one shoe brand could be the reason.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2017, 10:16:02 pm »

Look guys, no agenda on my part with respect to the foot injuries.  I'm just dumbfounded by the fact that it seems like every year since Knile Davis in 2011 we have lost key players to foot related injuries.  Look, I get it . . . we're dealing with 250-300+ lb. young men who are pummeling, falling on, crawling over, stepping on each other.  I just do not understand the "well it's inevitably going to happen" attitude that seems to exist.

For heaven's sake, redesign the upper/tongue of the cleats to include a flexible deflector or pad, use a softer material or reshape the cleat prongs, check our ankle taping methods to see if they're causing an issue, review our weight-lifting exercises/techniques for possible causal effects, review supplement or nutrition deficiencies related to bone density . . . heck if nothing else, get NIKE to come in and do a study related to their footwear.  These annual foot injuries are just REDONKULOUS. 
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2017, 10:25:13 pm »

Our playing surface? 
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2017, 10:49:47 pm »

Our playing surface?

Shh.. don't go talking that talk.  We'll have backhoes, bobcats and dump trucks all over the place for like 12 months.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2017, 10:55:20 pm »

I realize that "fall" practice just started; but those having injuries for which surgery and/or rehabilitation are already projected to extend well past the start of the season is bound to be raising some significant concerns about quality of depth at certain positions.  Based upon the latest injury report information - and the affected depth chart availability factor -  at what position do you think we may be thinnest at the start of the season and for several weeks thereafter?
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2017, 11:27:03 pm »

I have quickly become a Reebok snob. They are the best shoes out there for people on their feet a lot. I made a mistake with these Nike shoes. But being frugle, I'll wear them until they die.

I prefer New Balance,  and I do a lot of training. 
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2017, 07:36:05 am »

I realize that "fall" practice just started; but those having injuries for which surgery and/or rehabilitation are already projected to extend well past the start of the season is bound to be raising some significant concerns about quality of depth at certain positions.  Based upon the latest injury report information - and the affected depth chart availability factor -  at what position do you think we may be thinnest at the start of the season and for several weeks thereafter?
Without a doubt OLB.  WR could be an issue if JRed misses serious time.  There's zero proven depth at that spot despite the fact that there is a ton of talent and potential.  When you have a game like TCU sitting in that week 2 slot, you have to be ready to go when fall camp breaks.  There's still a ton of time for those guys to gel with AA though, so for me it would have to be that OLB spot which was thin as heck before the Bell injury. 
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2017, 08:13:47 am »

Has there been any explanation as to how it was broken? Could have absolutely nothing to do with "shoes," "weight lifting," or "nutrition" (as it probably doesn't anyway).
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2017, 11:18:57 am »

Yep.  I switched to Asics.  My feet thank me for it.

My orthopedic surgeon told me postsurgery to do X amount of this and that as rehab, and to wear Asics with a gel insole when doing cardio type exercise for the rest of my life.

Just sayin'.

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I doubt it's the Nikes.  I don't think Nike is all that great though.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2017, 11:23:15 am »

Has there been any explanation as to how it was broken? Could have absolutely nothing to do with "shoes," "weight lifting," or "nutrition" (as it probably doesn't anyway).

They don't know, or that was the given response.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2017, 11:24:13 am »

I prefer New Balance,  and I do a lot of training. 

My orthopedic surgeon told me postsurgery to do X amount of this and that as rehab, and to wear Asics with a gel insole when doing cardio type exercise for the rest of my life.

Just sayin'.

I've always thought both New Balance and Asics were better than Nike. They both seem to fit my feet better and I have "normal" feet except a little low arch. All the Nike's I've had in years past did not hold up as well and didn't seem to fit as well.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2017, 11:47:45 am »

I prefer Brooks running shoes. They're fantastic.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2017, 12:00:43 pm »

I prefer Brooks running shoes. They're fantastic.

Another brand better than Nike now. As far as major brands go I only think Reebok is worse than Nike.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2017, 12:11:07 pm »

Ironic that Nike started as a "running shoe" yet as recently as 2016's Running Worlds ranking of the top running shoes the highest ranking Nike is #16.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2017, 09:59:33 pm »

Add TJ to the list.

TJ
Cornelius
Bell
Harris
Wagner
« Last Edit: August 12, 2017, 05:04:21 pm by AP85 »
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2017, 11:16:47 am »

From wholehog today: Bielema said linebacker Karl Roesler (hamstring), tight end Jeremy Patton (hip), defensive end Armon Watts (bruised elbow), cornerback Britto Tutt (knee), tight end Will Gragg (concussion), kicker Cole Hedlund (groin) and nose guard Dylan Hays (ankle) have all returned to practice this week. All of those players were either held out of Saturday’s scrimmage or dinged up during it.

Linebacker De’Jon Harris is not back to 100 percent after suffering a mild sprain of the medial collateral ligament in his knee, Bielema said, adding Harris received limited work Tuesday.

Receiver Brandon Martin, who missed the scrimmage with “soft tissue” issues in his back, has been given a medical treatment that requires he sit out a few days, Bielema said.



Also, has anyone heard anything on LB Josh Harris? Saw he posted on twitter about a comeback of some sort. Seemed like it was related to an injury.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2017, 11:24:18 am »

Isn't Josh Harris the linebacker who really messed up his leg vs Tennessee?
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2017, 11:31:05 am »

Isn't Josh Harris the linebacker who really messed up his leg vs Tennessee?

Josh Williams. Josh Harris is a walk-on junior LB from Pine Bluff that's gotten consistent practice reps and ST work.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2017, 11:47:40 am »

Josh Williams. Josh Harris is a walk-on junior LB from Pine Bluff that's gotten consistent practice reps and ST work.



Awww. Thanks sir.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2017, 11:01:00 pm »

Add TJ to the list.

TJ
Cornelius
Bell

Add Harris.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2017, 06:18:35 am »

Add Harris.

Do we know what happened to him?
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #72 on: August 12, 2017, 09:01:23 am »

Anyone else have the feeling J-Red takes a medical redshirt this year? I'm starting to think so.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #73 on: August 12, 2017, 09:16:05 am »

Anyone else have the feeling J-Red takes a medical redshirt this year? I'm starting to think so.

Nope, he thought of leaving early, I don't see him coming back.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #74 on: August 12, 2017, 09:44:10 am »

Our playing surface?
this. it's OBVIOUS af that since the new practice field went in....
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2017, 09:46:33 am »

Nope, he thought of leaving early, I don't see him coming back.
That's a very good point Ricepig.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2017, 10:07:09 am »

Y'allllll....whatever is causing the foot injuries, it is NOT the Nikes. We have the same Nikes as every other Nike school in country, schools who are not having this sudden uptick in broken feet. This is the most easy theory to disprove. IF there is a cause other than bad luck, which I think there is (see Bell injury thread), then it must be something Arkansas specific: practice style, S&C program, nutrition plan, etc.

I have seen nutrition floated around a lot too. That is possible, but also is unlikely, as with the addition of the new athlete cafeteria, our athletes have been eating better than they ever have. Only people inside the program know what changed starting in 2015. They need to do their best to identify it.

FWIW, I think the last broken foot before 2015 was Kiero Small in 2012. We have had 8 in the last 2 years.
What about our practice field?  Modify: sorry, already posted.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2017, 10:10:42 am »

What about our practice field?

The injuries have occurred in DWRRS, WMS, Baton Rouge, and the practice fields.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2017, 10:15:20 am »

That's a very good point Ricepig.

Even a blind squirrel stumbles onto an acorn sometimes.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2017, 10:31:10 am »

Even a blind squirrel stumbles onto an acorn sometimes.

That was more like a beach ball. 
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2017, 10:33:19 am »

Even a blind squirrel stumbles onto an acorn sometimes.
Are you trying to insinuate something??
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2017, 10:48:20 am »

Are you trying to insinuate something??

Everyone knows you aren't blind.   ;)
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2017, 02:44:31 pm »

For those keeping up, two more foot injuries announced today. Josh Harris has a broken foot(bone), and Daulton Wagner, foot injury, not broken.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2017, 02:46:21 pm »

For those keeping up, two more foot injuries announced today. Josh Harris has a broken foot(bone), and Daulton Wagner, foot injury, not broken.

Thanks . I had heard there was one but didn't know the other. This foot thing is getting stupid.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2017, 02:46:34 pm »

The injuries have occurred in DWRRS, WMS, Baton Rouge, and the practice fields.
mostly on the practice field tho. but, we have the same turf in WM and DWR , soooo.....
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2017, 03:12:51 pm »

mostly on the practice field tho. but, we have the same turf in WM and DWR , soooo.....

We had these surfaces before the foot injuries started. They started in 2015. It's not the surface.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2017, 03:16:09 pm »

If you watched the PC afterwards, he said they spoke with another D-1 that has had 6 foot injuries since the spring. The training staff did an analysis of the NFL where they have to list the injuries, unlike college, and found out the foot injuries were to mainly LB's and WR's, just as ours are.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2017, 03:21:34 pm »

mostly on the practice field tho. but, we have the same turf in WM and DWR , soooo.....
Well there is a ton more opportunities to injury yourself on your own practice field than during a game regardless of playing surface. And you can't be sure that all of our injuries haven't happened on the natural grass practice field.
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Another Foot Injury
« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2017, 04:56:42 pm »

Dalton Wagner, expected recovery 4-6 weeks, looking at redshirtig.
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2017, 05:05:54 pm »

Add Wagner to the list.

TJ
Cornelius
Bell
Harris
Wagner
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Re: Injury thread
« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2017, 05:11:54 pm »

Add Wagner to the list.

TJ
Cornelius
Bell
Harris
Wagner

The injury list is a lot longer than that, those out for extended time are Harris and Bell, most likely for the season, or last 3 games or so.
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Re: Another Foot Injury
« Reply #91 on: August 12, 2017, 05:28:54 pm »

I blame the squats
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Re: Another Foot Injury
« Reply #92 on: August 12, 2017, 06:04:16 pm »

As long as it isn't a chronic injury I'm kind of glad he gets to redshirt.
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Re: Another Foot Injury
« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2017, 07:20:52 pm »

As long as it isn't a chronic injury I'm kind of glad he gets to redshirt.

My sentiments as well. I think he's already a monster and a good one, but if he can redshirt and develop, that's how we'll continue to move this program forward. Again, as long as the foot doesn't give him further trouble in the future. Hopefully we won't need him this season.
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Re: Another Foot Injury
« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2017, 07:25:33 pm »

My sentiments as well. I think he's already a monster and a good one, but if he can redshirt and develop, that's how we'll continue to move this program forward. Again, as long as the foot doesn't give him further trouble in the future. Hopefully we won't need him this season.

That's how I feel exactly. Barring a total meltdown this year I believe we need to stand pat with our coaching staff. We need to create stability and build into a program thriving on redshirt seniors and juniors that can support a few dynamic skill players. That's how Mississippi State almost got over the junior year of Dak Prescott.

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