It amazes the amount of energy we put into a impossible situation.

[gchamblee]

The SEC has been a double edge sword for Arkansas. The money has been great. But not being able to play multiple games each year in the state of Texas has hurt badly. Is it time we change that narrative? Should Arkansas join OU and Texas in the Big 12? or do we build another conference with them?

lol

[rhames]

Yes but when the ball bounces OSU and Bama's way they win championships while we win the cotton bowl. This is really the point of the thread. Everyone has swings and ours put us somewhere between 7-10 wins which doesn't win any hardware. The misconception is that I'm down on our program. I've actually enjoyed the last 3 years. We are a great athletic program. We compete in multiple sports and I take pride in all our sports. It's how we compete in this conference. We aren't going to dominate any of the big three sports but we are competitive in all of them. Eventually our hogs will breakthrough again if we keep running a strong athletic program.

Did the kick 6 bounce Alabama's  way?  Or the end of the Clemson game?

What about Ohio State getting destroyed by Clemson? I'm sure there are others


I'm not saying we are close to them. I'm saying everyone has swing moments that bounce their way and that don't bounce their way.

[Inhogswetrust]

Maybe we could get New Mexico to join as well?

Don't forget New Mexico State so we can still have some aggies in the conference!

[Pork Twain]

Sure there is.  Nobody said it would be easy to do at Arkansas, but it can be done occasionally.  We're due.  Go Hogs!

Well our last time was 1964, so I guess we are due...

[Poker_hog]

It's sort of like going to a casino.  We know most years are going to be a disappointment, just like most times you go to a casino you are going to lose money.  But every now and then you hit a jackpot and it's really exciting.  That's what keeps you coming back.  If we always beat the inferior teams and always lost to the better teams it wouldn't be any fun.

[rljjr]

The British played with a stacked deck against a rag-tag band of volunteer farmers. Impossible is nothing.

Happy Independence Day, Hogville.

[bphi11ips]

The British played with a stacked deck against a rag-tag band of volunteer farmers. Impossible is nothing.

Happy Independence Day, Hogville.

As Winston Churchill said, "Never, never, never give up!"

[EastexHawg]

The only way for us to achieve more than the average is build a solid program with minimal attrition of players not good enough to contribute and wait for a local talent to choose the hogs that plays QB with 1st round talent. The continuing carousel of coaches because one wins 10 with a cotton bowl win and the other wins 9 with a capital one loss is dumb. We aren't playing the same game as Alabama, LSU, Auburn, or Florida.

This is nothing more than unfounded Hogville opinion carefully crafted to somehow soothe those who espouse it, and to explain why they continue to support the current football and athletic department administration despite the fact that our five year SEC record is 13th in a 14 team conference, worse than Vanderbilt's and surpassing only Kentucky's.  It's the unicorn many choose to believe in because the alternative is so ugly and depressing.  Those who point out that no one has actually seen the unicorn and that it is likely just a fantasy are heretics.

[wildhogman]

This is nothing more than unfounded Hogville opinion carefully crafted to somehow soothe those who espouse it, and to explain why they continue to support the current football and athletic department administration despite the fact that our five year SEC record is 13th in a 14 team conference, worse than Vanderbilt's and surpassing only Kentucky's.  It's the unicorn many choose to believe in because the alternative is so ugly and depressing.  Those who point out that no one has actually seen the unicorn and that it is likely just a fantasy are heretics.

Wow, you mean Kentucky has the worst conference record in the SEC??  How in the name of all the greek goods and paul "bear" Bryant did lousivlle LOSE to UK last year with their current head coach?

[GuvHog]

Wow, you mean Kentucky has the worst conference record in the SEC??  How in the name of all the greek goods and paul "bear" Bryant did lousivlle LOSE to UK last year with their current head coach?

It's really quite simple. Under Mark Stoops, UK has improved and continues to do so. They aren't going to challenge for the SEC East title by any means, but they are close to becoming a consistent bowl team. For a basketball school that treats football as an afterthought, that's sayin' somthin'.

[wildhogman]

It's really quite simple. Under Mark Stoops, UK has improved and continues to do so. They aren't going to challenge for the SEC East title by any means, but they are close to becoming a consistent bowl team. For a basketball school that treats football as an afterthought, that's sayin' somthin'.

It certainly does say something when a team that was picked to possibly make the playoffs gets beat by a team that treats football as a distraction between basketball seasons doesn't it.

[Wildhog]

Wow, you mean Kentucky has the worst conference record in the SEC??  How in the name of all the greek goods and paul "bear" Bryant did lousivlle LOSE to UK last year with their current head coach?

Well, Kentucky did beat Mizzou by two touchdowns. 

So how in the name of the Bear did CBB lose to that 3-8 Mizzou team?

[wildhogman]

Well, Kentucky did beat Mizzou by two touchdowns. 

So how in the name of the Bear did CBB lose to that 3-8 Mizzou team?

I'd like to know that myself,, But my post was directed more at people who think we would be contending for titles if we kept the loserville coach. I recently looked up record of both coachesrecords for the past few years aganst ONLY the SEC teams. I was amazed at what I found. I was sure Harley Bob would have smoked CBB by a l-o-n-g shot.
Bare in mind the teams those records were accumulated against if you look.  I think the only top tier teams looserville played during this time was Aubby and LSU. 0-2. Its in my post history. Maybe I'll go look

[Wildhog]

I'd like to know that myself,, But my post was directed more at people who think we would be contending for titles if we kept the loserville coach. I recently looked up record of both coachesrecords for the past few years aganst ONLY the SEC teams. I was amazed at what I found. I was sure Harley Bob would have smoked CBB by a l-o-n-g shot.
Bare in mind the teams those records were accumulated against if you look.  I think the only top tier teams looserville played during this time was Aubby and LSU. 0-2. Its in my post history. Maybe I'll go look

Do you think Bielema is a better coach than Petrino?

[EastexHawg]

I'd like to know that myself,, But my post was directed more at people who think we would be contending for titles if we kept the loserville coach. I recently looked up record of both coachesrecords for the past few years aganst ONLY the SEC teams. I was amazed at what I found. I was sure Harley Bob would have smoked CBB by a l-o-n-g shot.
Bare in mind the teams those records were accumulated against if you look.  I think the only top tier teams looserville played during this time was Aubby and LSU. 0-2. Its in my post history. Maybe I'll go look

How did they do when they were both coaching in the SEC, with SEC recruits and SEC facilities?  If we're going to compare, let's make the comparison apples to apples.

But really, this has nothing to do with former coaches.  It has to do with the current coach and athletic administration.  The only thing our former coach or coaches do is dispel the notion that what we are getting now is the best we can get.

[Wildhog]

How did they do when they were both coaching in the SEC, with SEC recruits and SEC facilities?  If we're going to compare, let's make the comparison apples to apples.

But really, this has nothing to do with former coaches.  It has to do with the current coach and athletic administration.  The only thing our former coach or coaches do is dispel the notion that what we are getting now is the best we can get.

He's clinging on to those two games for dear life.

[wildhogman]

Do you think Bielema is a better coach than Petrino?

As I have said before, Time will tell that tale. Give what they have done in past, Yes. CBB has 3 BCS appearances, CBP two.
CBB won a conference title. Not sure CBO did at loserville, maybe one of you new cardinal fans can answer that one.
Based on last year. About even. Both had season ending let downs. Both last their last two or three games in bad fashions.

[Wildhog]

As I have said before, Time will tell that tale. Give what they have done in past, Yes. CBB has 3 BCS appearances, CBP two.
CBB won a conference title. Not sure CBO did at loserville, maybe one of you new cardinal fans can answer that one.
Based on last year. About even. Both had season ending let downs. Both last their last two or three games in bad fashions.

About even?  ACC was better than the SEC last year, and CBP had two more wins than CBB.

[rhames]

As I have said before, Time will tell that tale. Give what they have done in past, Yes. CBB has 3 BCS appearances, CBP two.
CBB won a conference title. Not sure CBO did at loserville, maybe one of you new cardinal fans can answer that one.
Based on last year. About even. Both had season ending let downs. Both last their last two or three games in bad fashions.

Petrino is a scum bag but he is a better coach than Bret. That doesn't mean Bret is horrible by any means.

[bphi11ips]

As I have said before, Time will tell that tale. Give what they have done in past, Yes. CBB has 3 BCS appearances, CBP two.
CBB won a conference title. Not sure CBO did at loserville, maybe one of you new cardinal fans can answer that one.
Based on last year. About even. Both had season ending let downs. Both last their last two or three games in bad fashions.

I think CBB is a better head coach than Bobby Petrino on and off the field.

[Wildhog]

I think CBB is a better head coach than Bobby Petrino on and off the field.

el oh el

[Corkscrew Johnson]

It amazes me that the only barometer for success is a National Championship.   I would not sacrifice playing in the best and most high-profile conference, with the most meaningful games, with primetime exposure, in the most football-crazed classic college towns, on a beautiful autumn Saturday afternoon, for playing a bunch of Iowa States and Texas Techs and having a better chance at a title.   

The SEC is fun.  Everything else is not. 

So let's figure out how to make 7-8 wins into 9 wins, with the occasional shot at 10-11 wins (which is all you need for a shot at a NC playing in the SEC), and enjoy the ride.

[wildhogman]

I don't know about everyone else, but you've sure convinced me here.

You've made such a compelling case for how we're better off in our current situation... I don't know how I didn't see things this way sooner.

I never said this is the best we can be. I saw sweet lou and CFB coach the hogs in person, although I was young.Watched most of hatefileds hogs as well. So I have seen us at our best. I also sat through the Crowe years and still remember fans chanting in the stadium during the citadel loss, "crowe must go"!   But I also remember Ford being forced to hire an OC who was sued to Pro's and unlimited practice time trying to install a pro passing game. I remember Nutts first years and then 2000 happened and that should have told us all we needed to know.  I am not ready to Hang BB out to dry just yet.  alverez must have known something because he put together a system at Wisky that has survived several coaching changes and keeps on rolling. Maybe BB can do it here. Like most I am in wait and see. We win 8 with no embarrassing losses I am cool with that. So long as each year is either better or status quo unchanged. 
Time will tell the tale, Hind sight is 20/20
what if we don't fire Ford in 97 and give him one more year. Yes he wouldn't have produced the same as the acorn, but w might have gotten Tubberville in 99 instead of the acorn. Think about that, a quality coach building on the recruiting that Ford started.
I just hope fans don't run off CBB for another acorn

[Cinco de Hogo]

I think CBB is a better head coach than Bobby Petrino on and off the field.

Nah it's must be the AD, Louisville and Wisconsin.  We have Long to whom winning isn't important.

[HiggiePiggy]

So let's figure out how to make 7-8 wins into 9 wins, with the occasional shot at 10-11 wins (which is all you need for a shot at a NC playing in the SEC), and enjoy the ride.

That is pretty easy.  Play 2 halves instead of just the first half.  Should have won 9 last year and 10 the year before.  We have lost a lot of games where we were either tied or leading in the second half under beliema so far. 

[GuvHog]

As I have said before, Time will tell that tale. Give what they have done in past, Yes. CBB has 3 BCS appearances, CBP two.
CBB won a conference title. Not sure CBO did at loserville, maybe one of you new cardinal fans can answer that one.
Based on last year. About even. Both had season ending let downs. Both last their last two or three games in bad fashions.

I believe BP led Louisville to a conference championship the year they played in the Orange Bowl and won but I'm not totally sure.

[wildhogman]

I believe BP led Louisville to a conference championship the year they played in the Orange Bowl and won but I'm not totally sure.

Yes I knew they beat OU in the BCS game. I just didn't know if they won their conference or not.

Edit:. Louisville and OU played in 2006 in the orange bowl. Yet everytime I look up the history it doesn't show either team in that game in 2006. I wonder why that is. Any clues?

[bphi11ips]

el oh el

Bobby Petrino has never had the balanced philosophy it takes to win at the highest level. He is a glorified offensive coordinator. See 2011 and 2016. Bret Bielema understands football to be a process that requires long-term planning, depth and execution in all phases of the game. That is the hallmark of all great football coaches. See, e.g., Gen. Robert Neyland, Vince Lombardi, Frank Broyles, Tom Osborne, Bill Snyder and Nick Saban. Championship football involves offense, defense and special teams, something that appears to be lost on Bobby Petrino.

Whether Bret Bielema can attract the talent to build a champion at Arkansas (made much more difficult when the road runs through the SEC West) remains to be seen, but you can see the process in the works. You can see the depth being built in the trenches. You can see the quality of the recruits in interviews and classroom work. That's important as well to winning in a situation lije Arkansas presents.

Nothing funny about it.

[Wildhog]

Bobby Petrino has never had the balanced philosophy it takes to win at the highest level. He is a glorified offensive coordinator. See 2011 and 2016. Bret Bielema understands football to be a process that requires long-term planning, depth and execution in all phases of the game. That is the hallmark of all great football coaches. See, e.g., Gen. Robert Neyland, Vince Lombardi, Frank Broyles, Tom Osborne, Bill Snyder and Nick Saban. Championship football involves offense, defense and special teams, something that appears to be lost on Bobby Petrino.

Whether Bret Bielema can attract the talent to build a champion at Arkansas (made much more difficult when the road runs through the SEC West) remains to be seen, but you can see the process in the works. You can see the depth being built in the trenches. You can see the quality of the recruits in interviews and classroom work. That's important as well to winning in a situation lije Arkansas presents.

Nothing funny about it.

So what you're really saying is you like CBB's approach and HOPE he turns out better than CBP.

[bphi11ips]

I believe BP led Louisville to a conference championship the year they played in the Orange Bowl and won but I'm not totally sure.

He did. 2006 in the Big East. That's what got him the Falcons job.

[bphi11ips]

So what you're really saying is you like CBB's approach and HOPE he turns out better than CBP.

No. I'm saying Bret Bielema is a better coach than Bobby Petrino in a vacuum.

[Wildhog]

No. I'm saying Bret Bielema is a better coach than Bobby Petrino in a vacuum.

There's nothing to support it, but nothing wrong with having an opinion, I suppose.

[wildhogman]

CBB is a better head coach than CBP in the following settings -

Press Conference
Dinner Table
Lunch Buffet
Breakfast Buffet
Boss' Office

Everywhere else it's laughably lopsided in the other direction. 

And yet with the worst QB in modern history(according to many of you in 2013-14) He won how many SEC games in 2015?
And CBP with a hiseman winning QB couldn't get to 10 wins and lost his last 3 games last year. I'd say you left out a coupl features for coaching that might influence this. Say picking the correct blonde to be your passagener on your Harley. Or maybe picking assistant coaches. Coaching trees are interesting for both men.

[Wildhog]

And yet with the worst QB in modern history(according to many of you in 2013-14) He won how many SEC games in 2015?

Are you talking about that NFL QB?

[gchamblee]

About even?  ACC was better than the SEC last year, and CBP had two more wins than CBB.

I like how to drool over petrinos wins, and drool over brets losses. all you see in bret is a loser and all you see in petrino is a winner. this fact alone makes it impossible to debate anything related to either of them with you. it is like watching cnn cover a republican politician.

[Wildhog]

I like how to drool over petrinos wins, and drool over brets losses. all you see in bret is a loser and all you see in petrino is a winner. this fact alone makes it impossible to debate anything related to either of them with you. it is like watching cnn cover a republican politician.

Why?  Did I say something that was untrue?

[gchamblee]

Petrino is a scum bag but he is a better coach than Bret. That doesn't mean Bret is horrible by any means.

CBB is a better coach than Petrino by a long shot, but Petrino has a much better record than CBB. I know the shallow minds that think "winning is all that matters" will choke on this post and I look forward to watching them do it

[rhames]

And yet with the worst QB in modern history(according to many of you in 2013-14) He won how many SEC games in 2015?
And CBP with a hiseman winning QB couldn't get to 10 wins and lost his last 3 games last year. I'd say you left out a coupl features for coaching that might influence this. Say picking the correct blonde to be your passagener on your Harley. Or maybe picking assistant coaches. Coaching trees are interesting for both men.

Bret also had some loses there in 2015 that shouldn't have happened.

[311Hog]

it is funny or sad i dunno which that "hog" fans seem hell bent on fat shaming our coach.  I mean seriously i think some people on this board think higher of a coach that cheats on his wife, then a coach who is overweight.  smfh.

If i am looking to score points i am calling CBP, if i am looking for a head coach that will not ruin my program's image i am calling CBB, and hopefully hiring a good OC and DC to answer the question.

In hind sight i wish we would have had CBB from the start, and saved all the drama and public image hits.

[rhames]

CBB is a better coach than Petrino by a long shot, but Petrino has a much better record than CBB. I know the shallow minds that think "winning is all that matters" will choke on this post and I look forward to watching them do it

I don't have a shallow mind.

Bret may be better at running a program all around but on the field head to head Petrino is better. That isn't a knock on Bret by any means.

[gchamblee]

Bobby Petrino has never had the balanced philosophy it takes to win at the highest level. He is a glorified offensive coordinator. See 2011 and 2016. Bret Bielema understands football to be a process that requires long-term planning, depth and execution in all phases of the game. That is the hallmark of all great football coaches. See, e.g., Gen. Robert Neyland, Vince Lombardi, Frank Broyles, Tom Osborne, Bill Snyder and Nick Saban. Championship football involves offense, defense and special teams, something that appears to be lost on Bobby Petrino.

Whether Bret Bielema can attract the talent to build a champion at Arkansas (made much more difficult when the road runs through the SEC West) remains to be seen, but you can see the process in the works. You can see the depth being built in the trenches. You can see the quality of the recruits in interviews and classroom work. That's important as well to winning in a situation lije Arkansas presents.

Nothing funny about it.

He doesn't coach. He doesn't teach his players anything. He tells them run here, throw there at that spot on this timing. You don't need to understand it, just do it and if you do not I will talk to you like you are a dog. He is not a coach by any measure other than calling plays and doing press conferences. His QB's are crap in the NFL because they do not know anything other than throw it to this spot on this count and my guy will be there. In his system they do well, unless in the NFL. He couldn't do it in the NFL because he couldn't run his scheme against defenses that were not prepared for it.

However, he does win a lot of games when he can run his scheme against lower quality defenses, which is most teams in the NCAA. He makes an excellent college play caller but he sucks as a head coach unless wins is all you want and you really don't care who they come from and how you get them.  I do not fault those that choose this as the only metric they care about, it is an important part of the game.

[gchamblee]

So what you're really saying is you like CBB's approach and HOPE he turns out better than CBP.

Thats sort of where I am at personally.

[gchamblee]

And yet with the worst QB in modern history(according to many of you in 2013-14) He won how many SEC games in 2015?
And CBP with a hiseman winning QB couldn't get to 10 wins and lost his last 3 games last year. I'd say you left out a coupl features for coaching that might influence this. Say picking the correct blonde to be your passagener on your Harley. Or maybe picking assistant coaches. Coaching trees are interesting for both men.

You should be ashamed of yourself for not having surfing on ignore lol. Dude is nothing but noise and hot air. He barely knows how many points a touchdown is worth.

[Wildhog]

He doesn't coach. He doesn't teach his players anything. He tells them run here, throw there at that spot on this timing. You don't need to understand it, just do it and if you do not I will talk to you like you are a dog. He is not a coach by any measure other than calling plays and doing press conferences. His QB's are crap in the NFL because they do not know anything other than throw it to this spot on this count and my guy will be there. In his system they do well, unless in the NFL. He couldn't do it in the NFL because he couldn't run his scheme against defenses that were not prepared for it.

However, he does win a lot of games when he can run his scheme against lower quality defenses, which is most teams in the NCAA. He makes an excellent college play caller but he sucks as a head coach unless wins is all you want and you really don't care who they come from and how you get them.  I do not fault those that choose this as the only metric they care about, it is an important part of the game.

Yes, I only care about wins.

[Wildhog]

Thats sort of where I am at personally.

Nothing wrong with that.

[gchamblee]

Yes, I only care about wins.

Unless it was CBP, then you accept his losses with a smile and defend him. The EXACT same thing you try to shame fans of CBB for doing

[Wildhog]

Unless it was CBP, then you accept his losses with a smile and defend him. The EXACT same thing you try to shame fans of CBB for doing

If you only lose 2-3 games in a season, yes, I will accept those with a smile for any coach. 

[gchamblee]

There are many opinions on this, and I think the OP made some excellent points. Perspective is important.

Me personally, I understand that every University that fields a football team cant win all their games. I understand that sometimes the worst that can happen in a game will happen to your team. I can relate to fielding a team for the purpose of giving athletes access to an education they wouldn't have received otherwise. I am a fan of the Razorbacks because I was born here, this is my home and this is my team. I want them to win every game they play and there are some teams I want them to beat worse than others. I am a fan of the team, the effort and the work required to compete. I am a fan of the administration because they are doing their part to give our athletes the best environment they can to grow academically and athletically. I don't demand championships, but I want them. I don't want to fire people until I think they are bad for the program, the athletes, the image of the University.

Everyone wants to win. Everyone enjoys winning. Nobody is happy with mediocrity, but not everyone is pissed about it either. I would be pissed if we weren't trying to win, or if we allowed our HC to exploit our athletes. I would be pissed if we were not making an effort to win and were just "showing up" to the games. Regardless of wins and losses, I find a lot to be proud of with our current team and administration and I really don't care how much it pisses off the portion of our fanbase that thinks you should just keep firing people until you win a championship.

[Gonzo]

How appropriate to celebrate Independence Day with more typical Hogville fireworks, same shots, same shooters (well, haven't seen Guv in this one yet today), same results, wheeee!      Maybe today will be different, maybe today one side will actually win, hah



Go Hogs!

[Wildhog]

How appropriate to celebrate Independence Day with more typical Hogville fireworks, same shots, same shooters (well, haven't seen Guv in this one yet today), same results, wheeee!      Maybe today will be different, maybe today one side will actually win, hah



Go Hogs!

I win.  Happy 4th!