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Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« on: May 30, 2017, 08:29:56 am »

We have a lot of D1 football type athletes playing nothing but basketball now.  You are about to see Razorback basketball explode.  But this is killing HS football.  Little Rock is the main issue.  Lack of facilities, coaching, and all the concussion injury stuff.  I think it's gonna really effect Razorback football.  I would have never said this five years ago but basketball seems to be on the rise big time with kids.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2017, 08:56:41 am »

Arkansas is a football state, period. Doubt that ever changes.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2017, 09:03:42 am »

Arkansas is a football state, period. Doubt that ever changes.
Fans are but I'm less sure about the kids playing.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2017, 09:06:41 am »

Fans are but I'm less sure about the kids playing.

To that end, I wish the OP had been titled with a bit more care..

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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2017, 09:11:54 am »

Fans are but I'm less sure about the kids playing.

It actually varies depending on which area of the state one lives in. In some parts of the state the number of boys going out for football is high but in other parts, not so much.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2017, 09:32:32 am »

Arkansas is a great basketball state, always has been.  Lots and lots of kids growing up through the 90s in Arkansas had no access to football as that they went to schools too small for football.  At those schools, basketball was king.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2017, 09:37:24 am »

In years past, there was a significant Pulaski County/Little Rock flavor on a vast majority of championship caliber Razorback football teams. But the Little Rock School District is in disarray, and football has become a joke in what was once a bastion of high school football, especially at Central High. The best high school football is now played in NW Arkansas, and in southern Arkansas in smaller towns. NLR is doing a pretty good job too. Central High has been a non-factor for 12 years now, and none of the other LRSD teams ever really put a value on football for an extended period of time. Parkview was really good in the early-to-mid 1980's, but other than that, it was always Central High football. It's all basketball now in Pulaski County, mostly because it's much cheaper to supply 12 to 20 kids per basketball team, than 70-100 football players. I blame the LR School Board, the superintendents, and the teachers.....but mostly the school board.
Razorback football is going to have to begin mining other football-rich areas, like NW Arkansas, Tulsa, Kansas City, Memphis, Shreveport, Monroe, and hit the Dallas region extra hard.
The Hoop Hogs aren't going to need to go very far in the near future to find some great players to elevate the program, but I would look for Anderson to start recruiting Memphis a lot harder.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2017, 09:39:22 am »

Basketball participation in the younger grades (rec / grade school) has been declining for several years in the state. 
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2017, 09:59:35 am »

Not sure where you are looking. In high population urban areas, and the smallest towns around the state, basketball is on the rise.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 10:03:27 am »

I'm more excited about Hog basketball than Hog football for the first time in ages. 
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2017, 10:11:10 am »

Arkansas is a football state, period. Doubt that ever changes.
If Razorback basketball ever gets back to what it was from '75 to '96, it will be a basketball state. The U of A, over the past 40 years, has done much better in basketball than it has in football.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2017, 10:15:47 am »

I know football is right around the corner but I'm much more excited about the upcoming basketball season.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2017, 10:41:01 am by Hollywood_HOGan45 »
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2017, 10:42:38 am »

If Razorback basketball ever gets back to what it was from '75 to '96, it will be a basketball state. The U of A, over the past 40 years, has done much better in basketball than it has in football.

No, it really won't. During the era you mentioned, as great as basketball was in the state, football was still #1. That isn't going to change. Football will always be priority #1 in the U of A Athletic Department because it's the biggest money maker. It will be that way in some other instate colleges too. The State of Arkansas is not like the Commonwealth of Kentucky where basketball is King and never will be.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2017, 11:24:52 am »

It actually varies depending on which area of the state one lives in. In some parts of the state the number of boys going out for football is high but in other parts, not so much.
well, while that's true, the area where it is happening is our breadbasket for players. It is hurting us already. The next DDawg is playing basketball right now.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2017, 11:27:19 am »

I hate it, but I don't really care about football like I used to. Been too invested for too long and had the rug pulled out from under us too many times. Basketball at least is giving me something to believe in again when it comes to Hog sports not named track or baseball.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2017, 11:28:47 am »

I know football is right around the corner but I'm much more excited about the upcoming basketball season.
i think we all are. Having a ton of talent lined up for the next three recruiting classes will do that to you.

In football, we have 4 four* recruits right now. If we keep a 4* average up to a solid 16 man class, that would do wonders for our program. We really need a high quality class.

In basketball, MA has been killing it in recruiting.

I feel like bud walton will be full early and often this year.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2017, 11:51:58 am »

I'm more excited about Hog basketball than Hog football for the first time in ages.
I am as well, for the 1st time in my life
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2017, 12:33:17 pm »

I am as well, for the 1st time in my life

How old are you?
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 12:34:56 pm »

I am as well, for the 1st time in my life
Our seniors two senior guards should be able to take over a game at the drop of a hat.  One would have to go back to Beck and McDaniel to find a saltier duo on the hill.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 12:44:18 pm »

Even though I know the football fanbase in this state is enormous, I've always considered Arkansas a basketball state.  For the first half of my life I grew up in a small town that did not have a high school football team and basketball was life.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2017, 03:39:57 pm »

To get LR schools up to par private money is going to have to step up and help out.  Besides the school districts being underfunded and poorly run the socio-economic demographics do not lend themselves to parents being able to give time and money to help elevate the programs.

Yes the NWA schools are better funded but they also have a much higher level of parent involvement and a lot of private booster money supporting the programs.

It would be great from a competitive standpoint if the LR schools could produce more talent, but more importantly it's better for the kids to have that opportunity.  The number of roster spots in Bball is so low compared to FB and so many kids could use the structure, mentoring, physical activity, social support, sense of purpose, value, and camaraderie that FB would provide.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 03:43:27 pm »

Oh boy, another thread about the LR school district.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2017, 03:53:37 pm »

sorry for inform you but arkansas has always  been, is, and always will be a basketball state. kids play football that can't cut it in basketball in arkansas.  that's how it's always been.

the backup point guard on my high school team had nevfer touched a football in his life, went out for football his senior year, got the starting RB job and ran for 200 against West Memphis.   there are a lot of those in the state.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2017, 03:55:10 pm »

Oh boy, another thread about the LR school district.

I don't anyone could have foreseen how much of an albatross the LRSD was going to become with respect to education in this state.  Contrary to Dwight's point, more money has been poured in that black hole than anywhere in the state and to what end?  Money will NOT solve the problem.

But to the point of the OP, I do agree wit the notion that given the state of things over the last two decades, it has been far easier for LRSD athletes to excel at basketball as opposed to football.     
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2017, 04:02:46 pm »

I don't anyone could have foreseen how much of an albatross the LRSD was going to become with respect to education in this state.  Contrary to Dwight's point, more money has been poured in that black hole than anywhere in the state and to what end?  Money will NOT solve the problem.

But to the point of the OP, I do agree wit the notion that given the state of things over the last two decades, it has been far easier for LRSD athletes to excel at basketball as opposed to football.     

Money for the schools or athletics?  I will bet the % of total funds/pupil spent on athletics in LRSD vs any NWA SD is much less when you combine private and public funds.  While money does not solve the problem it helps when coupled with parent/adult involvement.
NWA has the parents that can help from a financial standpoint and a support standpoint.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2017, 05:34:32 pm »

My grandson is a pretty good athlete.  He played football, basketball and baseball in middle school.  Got hurt twice playing football, didn't like walking around on crutches, so gave up football for good.  He finally settled on baseball, his first love that started with t-ball.  Started on the high school varsity his freshmen year and will be a junior this coming year.  The high school football team has trouble fielding enough players to hold a scrimmage.  I still like watching college football but the NFL has become almost unwatchable with all the antics going on.  Players celebrating a tackle as if they just won the game, the TD celebrations, etc.  It's a real turn off for me. 
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2017, 06:17:54 pm »

It actually varies depending on which area of the state one lives in. In some parts of the state the number of boys going out for football is high but in other parts, not so much.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2017, 06:21:22 pm »

I never said football wasn't no.1.  Just saying basketballs rise is hurting football.  Also hurting is very poor coaching in LR and southern Arkansas
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2017, 06:35:14 pm »

To get LR schools up to par private money is going to have to step up and help out.  Besides the school districts being underfunded and poorly run the socio-economic demographics do not lend themselves to parents being able to give time and money to help elevate the programs.

Yes the NWA schools are better funded but they also have a much higher level of parent involvement and a lot of private booster money supporting the programs.

It would be great from a competitive standpoint if the LR schools could produce more talent, but more importantly it's better for the kids to have that opportunity.  The number of roster spots in Bball is so low compared to FB and so many kids could use the structure, mentoring, physical activity, social support, sense of purpose, value, and camaraderie that FB would provide.
Better funding? Go look at any of the Roger High School's fieldhouse and then look at LR Fair's fieldhouse. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2017, 06:38:29 pm »

Your best sports programs have parental and community support - Little Rock lacks both of those in football especially.
I've never understood why some educators don't see the value of sports, the arts, band, etc. - especially in keeping borderline kids in school and the community involved. Those are always the first programs cut.
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« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2017, 06:44:47 pm »

I'm in my mid-30's and have always thought of Arkansas as more of a basketball state. Maybe that's because the Hogs haven't been super relevant in football since I was five or so. At least not consistently. I certainly think nationally that's where our identity lies. If you talk to folks who don't have any connection to the state, most know Arkansas for Nolan and the Hogs teams of the 90's that were so productive. It seems when we have an NCAA tourney basketball team, we instantly get press and media buzz nationally. But when we have an SEC title caliber football team, we still don't seem to break through the national conversation. I think that's because to most, our identity is mid-90's Hog b-ball.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2017, 06:55:46 pm »

Your best sports programs have parental and community support - Little Rock lacks both of those in football especially.
I've never understood why some educators don't see the value of sports, the arts, band, etc. - especially in keeping borderline kids in school and the community involved. Those are always the first programs cut.

This. People can't see the forest for the trees. Too angry at everything but what they should be....
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2017, 07:39:41 pm »

Welcome to the mid-90s
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« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2017, 08:27:22 pm »

Fans are but I'm less sure about the kids playing.

Arkansas has always had a good number of both players. Maybe where you live basketball is played more so but in other places it isn't. It is less common across the country now for kids to play multiple sports though. In some places where the population is not that high basketball is played more but in others that have grown there are more football players than before. Population shifts, emphasis and other causes have changed the map. It's all a part of human geography and demographics.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2017, 08:36:57 pm »

Correct, from about Nov. 15 to March Madness... LMAO
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« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2017, 10:46:30 pm »

I don't know about fans' interest level. Seems to me fans are passionate about the Hogs, no matter the sport.
I also don't know which has more interest in the high schools, football or basketball(or other sports).

But I know this: from strictly a U of A perspective, I've always considered the UA a basketball school over football. ALWAYS. The potential is simply higher to achieve more in hoops, considering the league we play in. Hoops doesn't require the numbers that football does. That's tough for a small state, and football needs the numbers. Also, the rest of the SEC is simply more invested and passionate about football than hoops.

I'm not saying there is a grand canyon of difference, but there is a slightly easier path to success in basketball. For that reason, I have always held greater expectation for UA basketball, and I personally have greater expectation and hope for hoops season to get here than football.

Now, I love me some college football. Football has many things going for it, some of which have nothing to do with winning. Marching bands, crisp fall air and sunshine, tailgating, all Saturday games, etc. There are things I love about football that I can't get anywhere else.
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« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2017, 05:02:54 am »

Welcome to the mid-90s

Yikes, that's a pretty scary scene to think about if you're a football lover. I got so uninterested in Ford's teams by then that I was only going to a couple of games a year...and had tix to both LR and Fayetteville then (couldn't give them away, either). Going by attendance, interest seems pretty high right now, but I hope a coach leaves or is fired before something like that happens again.
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« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2017, 07:07:24 am »

Can't speak for the rest of the state, but growing up in NEA it always seemed that basketball was the priority.  Even for the bigger schools.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2017, 08:32:49 am »

Shocked I tell you!  Central High School still in operation?  How about Hall High & Catholic High?  I have only been back in the state for 3 years, have not heard anything about these schools.........Still shocked!  What the hell happen?
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« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2017, 08:57:08 am »

Arkansas regularly produces enough D1 basketball players that a Top 20 team could be fielded and pretty much maintained with players from our state.  That can't be said for football.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2017, 09:10:26 am »

Arkansas is a football state with kids playing, fans watching, and overall talent produced. Yes, the state produces 2-5 really good basketball players a year, but the overall depth of bball talent is not good ( we will see if the two upcoming classes are a trend or an exception ).

Outside of a few schools, mainly in the LR area, go to any of the 200 or so schools that play football and basketball and the fervor for football is far greater. You can go on Friday night to some of the worst HS football games and the place is packed. Parents start their ids in rinky dink football at 5 years old ( which is just stupid, imo ), and they live for seeing little Johnny make a big hit, or a big run. For a majority, basketball is what fills time between football and spring football. 
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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2017, 09:12:55 am »

In years past, there was a significant Pulaski County/Little Rock flavor on a vast majority of championship caliber Razorback football teams. But the Little Rock School District is in disarray, and football has become a joke in what was once a bastion of high school football, especially at Central High. The best high school football is now played in NW Arkansas, and in southern Arkansas in smaller towns. NLR is doing a pretty good job too. Central High has been a non-factor for 12 years now, and none of the other LRSD teams ever really put a value on football for an extended period of time. Parkview was really good in the early-to-mid 1980's, but other than that, it was always Central High football. It's all basketball now in Pulaski County, mostly because it's much cheaper to supply 12 to 20 kids per basketball team, than 70-100 football players. I blame the LR School Board, the superintendents, and the teachers.....but mostly the school board.
Razorback football is going to have to begin mining other football-rich areas, like NW Arkansas, Tulsa, Kansas City, Memphis, Shreveport, Monroe, and hit the Dallas region extra hard.
The Hoop Hogs aren't going to need to go very far in the near future to find some great players to elevate the program, but I would look for Anderson to start recruiting Memphis a lot harder.
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John Walker is to blame for a lot of the problem. He was the one who sued the  school district which forced desegregation and busing kids from neighborhood schools to other parts of the city, in the mid '80's.  And he got wealthy in the process. But it's probably a topic for another day. 
I think it's why we're seeing the problems now, just took a little time.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2017, 09:20:17 am »

Arkansas regularly produces enough D1 basketball players that a Top 20 team could be fielded and pretty much maintained with players from our state.  That can't be said for football.

I agree with this point but I don't see how this supports the OP point.  There are (and always have been) many states that cannot produce enough talent to fill the roster of a D1 team. 
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2017, 09:25:49 am »

I agree with this point but I don't see how this supports the OP point.  There are (and always have been) many states that cannot produce enough talent to fill the roster of a D1 team.

I disagree with the OP point.  Basketball is not overtaking football, Arkansas has always been more of a basketball than football state.  Arkansas has always been a sneaky good basketball state not far behind Indiana and Kentucky with a lot of the same dynamics driving it.  Small schools and sparse population making it easier to field basketball teams than football teams.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2017, 10:25:03 am »


Basketball is not overtaking football, Arkansas has always been more of a basketball than football state. 


I do not see that at all.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2017, 11:13:33 am »

I do not see that at all.

Depends on the part of the state in which you live. GW, Ft. Smith, NWA have always been pro football, most of NEA outside of Wynne is more pro basketball. I'd say Central Arkansas leans more into bas, while SE Arkansas is more of a football area.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2017, 11:23:32 am »

Little Rock hasn't produced a "crop" since those great kids from Central in 03'-04'.   That's becoming a long, long time ago.     
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2017, 05:50:24 pm »

John Walker is to blame for a lot of the problem. He was the one who sued the  school district which forced desegregation and busing kids from neighborhood schools to other parts of the city, in the mid '80's.  And he got wealthy in the process. But it's probably a topic for another day. 
I think it's why we're seeing the problems now, just took a little time.

Then ask why that hasn't hurt recruiting in other metro areas where that was also done...........................
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2017, 08:53:36 pm »

Nwa is football.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2017, 09:08:27 pm »

Being from out of state I can't really comment objectively on whether the state is more of a basketball or football state at the HS level.  But as a huge college sports fan and a U of A alumnus I believe 100% that the Hogs are more of a football school than basketball school.  My reasoning is what sport do the fans care about most?  At Arkansas and most every other other university is the country (D1 level) it's football.  There are probably about 5-10 schools that basketball is bigger-UK, KU, Indiana, Syracuse, Duke and maybe UNC, UCLA, Arizona and a couple others but that's it.  Football draws more fan interest everywhere else.  Even places like Michigan st and Louisville with tremendous basketball success-I bet their fans would get more excited abut a National Championship team in football.
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