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  • #51 by cityhog on 23 Dec 2014
  • I thought Mike would never go over .500 in the SEC?

    This league is pathetic. He should be able to manage 10-8.
  • #52 by Danny J on 23 Dec 2014
  • This league is pathetic. He should be able to manage 10-8.
    League right now has played the overall #1 SOS, which is better than the other power 5 conferences who are not even in the top 5(AAC is #2 and in basketball I would consider them probably a power conference) and right now we are #3 in conference RPI right behind the Big 12 and Big East.
  • #53 by Danny J on 23 Dec 2014
  • League right now has played the overall #1 SOS, which is better than the other power 5 conferences who are not even in the top 5(AAC is #2 and in basketball I would consider them probably a power conference) and right now we are #3 in conference RPI right behind the Big 12 and Big East.
    I will also add that the SEC has taken a page out of some of the smaller conferences book in that we have massaged our schedules as a whole meaning we have scheduled not only more power conference teams but better/higher RPI midmajors and cupcakes. In reality that is all that matter come selection Sunday. What the committee chair stated over a dozen times last year after the selections were announced was non-conf SOS. Going into conference play the SEC will be #1 overall in SOS for non-conf games and Arkansas will be fairly high as well which is a HUGE leap from where we were last year. The hiring of Greg Shaheen is really paying off.
  • #54 by Adam Stokes on 23 Dec 2014
  • I will also add that the SEC has taken a page out of some of the smaller conferences book in that we have massaged our schedules as a whole meaning we have scheduled not only more power conference teams but better/higher RPI midmajors and cupcakes. In reality that is all that matter come selection Sunday. What the committee chair stated over a dozen times last year after the selections were announced was non-conf SOS. Going into conference play the SEC will be #1 overall in SOS for non-conf games and Arkansas will be fairly high as well which is a HUGE leap from where we were last year. The hiring of Greg Shaheen is really paying off.

    While we are #3 right now it likely won't continue.  While we do currently have the best SOS, we also have only the 6th best win percentage.  That will catch up to us as teams play one another with a worse winning percentage and we will likely still end up on the 5th/6th line with the Pac-12.   

    The conference just needs to hope that there are a couple of 3-15 teams in conference, because it'll mean more 12-6's.  If we have too many teams at 10-8 we may end up with three bids again.
  • #55 by Danny J on 23 Dec 2014
  • While we are #3 right now it likely won't continue.  While we do currently have the best SOS, we also have only the 6th best win percentage.  That will catch up to us as teams play one another with a worse winning percentage and we will likely still end up on the 5th/6th line with the Pac-12.   

    The conference just needs to hope that there are a couple of 3-15 teams in conference, because it'll mean more 12-6's.  If we have too many teams at 10-8 we may end up with three bids again.
    True but remember we were I think 9th in RPI at the end of the regular season so a jump from 9th to 5/6th is a huge improvement. So I think that alone will get us at least 2 more bids but as you mentioned there is still a lot of basketball left to play.
  • #56 by The Hogfather on 23 Dec 2014
  • Which is completely stupid.  We're beating the 189th team by 30 instead of the 289th team by 40.  We're OBVIOUSLY more deserving of a bid.
  • #57 by hogfan10 on 23 Dec 2014
  • the schedule looks like a very doable 9-0 at home. we need to win 4 on the road to show the kids were capable of winning games away from home.by the way how many of the teams in the conference do you think are better than smu.who knows which ones we get but I,m going with 4 road games.

    I don't think many, if any, outside of UK, FL, AR are better than SMU. But, I do think that the officiating on the road in conference games is more of a factor than it is in the nonconference games.
  • #58 by Danny J on 24 Dec 2014
  • Which is completely stupid.  We're beating the 189th team by 30 instead of the 289th team by 40.  We're OBVIOUSLY more deserving of a bid.
    Yeah....need to find a better way of selecting teams for the NCAAt. As long as the SOS and RPI are the two primary factors being used to select teams especially on or around the bubble then we really have no choice but to keep scheduling the way we did this year. I agree.....it is ridiculous and the way RPI is calculated needs to change. Someone much smarter than I needs to figure this out.
  • #59 by The_Iceman on 24 Dec 2014
  • This league is pathetic. He should be able to manage 10-8.

    To all those standing behind cityhog: WATCH OUT! He is backpedaling so quick he might run you over.
  • #60 by The Hogfather on 24 Dec 2014
  • This league is pathetic. He should be able to manage 10-8.

    The league is really not that pathetic, but that is certainly the narrative.  What this league is not is consistent.  These SEC road games are darn near impossible because of dead atmospheres and horrid, inconsistent, highly home-skewed officiating.
  • #61 by MikePiazza on 24 Dec 2014
  • The league is really not that pathetic, but that is certainly the narrative.  What this league is not is consistent.  These SEC road games are darn near impossible because of dead atmospheres and horrid, inconsistent, highly home-skewed officiating.

    The difference between the SEC now and the SEC when Arkansas came into the league and for really the first decade is star power. Other than UK and Florida, no one really has stars anymore.

    Look at the league in 1991-92, for example. Every team had a star or a number of them.

    West
    Alabama-Horry, Sprewell, Robinson
    Arkansas-Day, Mayberry, Miller
    Auburn-W. Person, Swinson
    LSU-Shaq, Caesar
    MSU-Watts, Walker
    Ole Miss-Harvell

    East
    Florida-Poole, DeClercq, Brown, Cross
    Georgia-Green
    Kentucky-Mashburn & the "Unforgettables"
    S. Carolina-English
    Tennessee-Houston
    Vanderbilt-McMahan, Hall
  • #62 by Dominicanhog on 24 Dec 2014
  • The difference between the SEC now and the SEC when Arkansas came into the league and for really the first decade is star power. Other than UK and Florida, no one really has stars anymore.

    Look at the league in 1991-92, for example. Every team had a star or a number of them.

    West
    Alabama-Horry, Sprewell, Robinson
    Arkansas-Day, Mayberry, Miller
    Auburn-W. Person, Swinson
    LSU-Shaq, Caesar
    MSU-Watts, Walker
    Ole Miss-Harvell

    East
    Florida-Poole, DeClercq, Brown, Cross
    Georgia-Green
    Kentucky-Mashburn & the "Unforgettables"
    S. Carolina-English
    Tennessee-Houston
    Vanderbilt-McMahan, Hall

    Good point and quiet the list... other than UK and UF, I bet there hasn't been that many future pro's in the SEC the last 5 years combined.
  • #63 by ErieHog on 24 Dec 2014
  • Good point and quiet the list... other than UK and UF, I bet there hasn't been that many future pro's in the SEC the last 5 years combined.

    Keep in mind at least a third of that list never were NBA pros.

    NBA guys from places other than KY/FL in the last 5 seasons:

    Patrick Beverly,  Caldwell-Pope,  Jordan Clarkson,  Festus Ezeli,  Alonzo Gee,  Justin Hamilton,  Marcus Thornton,  Garrett Temple,   Paul Pressey,  Jarnell Stokes,  Jeff Taylor, and  Rodney Hood all come to mind.



  • #64 by MikePiazza on 24 Dec 2014
  • Keep in mind at least a third of that list never were NBA pros.

    NBA guys from places other than KY/FL in the last 5 seasons:

    Patrick Beverly,  Caldwell-Pope,  Jordan Clarkson,  Festus Ezeli,  Alonzo Gee,  Justin Hamilton,  Marcus Thornton,  Garrett Temple,   Paul Pressey,  Jarnell Stokes,  Jeff Taylor, and  Rodney Hood all come to mind.

    Still lots of pros in the SEC, don't get me wrong. I don't subscribe to the theory that the SEC is "down" or is "pathetic" but I feel like the quality of basketball in the early and mid 90's was better as well. Also better coaching.

    Look at the coaches back then compared to now.

    West
    Alabama-Wimp Sanderson vs. Anthony Grant. Advantage: Wimp
    Arkansas-Nolan Richardson vs. Mike Anderson. Advantage: Nolan
    Auburn-Tommy Joe Eagles vs. Bruce Pearl. Advantage: Pearl
    LSU-Dale Brown vs. Johnny Jones. Advantage: Brown
    Ole Miss-Ed Murphy vs. Andy Kennedy. Advantage: Even
    Mississippi St.-Richard Williams vs. Rick Ray. Advantage: Williams

    East
    Florida-Lon Kruger vs. Billy Donovan. Advantage: Donovan (but close)
    Georgia-Hugh Durham vs. Mark Fox. Advantage: Fox
    Kentucky-Rick Pitino vs. John Calipari. Advantage: Even
    S. Carolina-Steve Newton vs. Frank Martin. Advantage: Martin
    Tennessee-Wade Houston vs. Donnie Tyndall. Advantage: Houston
    Vanderbilt-Eddie Fogler vs. Kevin Stallings. Advantage: Fogler
  • #65 by Dominicanhog on 24 Dec 2014
  • I think Stallings is a very good coach...
  • #66 by MikePiazza on 24 Dec 2014
  • I think Stallings is a very good coach...

    He's pretty solid, don't get me wrong. But I'd put Fogler ahead of him. Fogler's last team at Vandy went 28-6, won the East and went to Sweet 16.

    He won the East at S. Carolina as well, before losing in the first round to Coppin State as a 2 seed.
  • #67 by ErieHog on 24 Dec 2014
  • Still lots of pros in the SEC, don't get me wrong. I don't subscribe to the theory that the SEC is "down" or is "pathetic" but I feel like the quality of basketball in the early and mid 90's was better as well. Also better coaching.

    Look at the coaches back then compared to now.

    West
    Alabama-Wimp Sanderson vs. Anthony Grant. Advantage: Wimp
    Arkansas-Nolan Richardson vs. Mike Anderson. Advantage: Nolan
    Auburn-Tommy Joe Eagles vs. Bruce Pearl. Advantage: Pearl
    LSU-Dale Brown vs. Johnny Jones. Advantage: Brown
    Ole Miss-Ed Murphy vs. Andy Kennedy. Advantage: Even
    Mississippi St.-Richard Williams vs. Rick Ray. Advantage: Williams

    East
    Florida-Lon Kruger vs. Billy Donovan. Advantage: Donovan (but close)
    Georgia-Hugh Durham vs. Mark Fox. Advantage: Fox
    Kentucky-Rick Pitino vs. John Calipari. Advantage: Even
    S. Carolina-Steve Newton vs. Frank Martin. Advantage: Martin
    Tennessee-Wade Houston vs. Donnie Tyndall. Advantage: Houston
    Vanderbilt-Eddie Fogler vs. Kevin Stallings. Advantage: Fogler

    I see that as a 7-4-1 split in favor of the new-   (Us, Bama, KY, LSU, and maybe MSU) -- there's no way Houston is an advantage over Tyndall by the way--  Wade Houston lost twenty games twice, in his 5 seasons as a collegiate head coach and had 3 losing records;  Tyndall has coached 8 seasons,  and has never lost more than 18, and has only one losing record ever.

    Kevin Stallings has taken Vanderbilt to multiple Sweet 16s and more success  than Fogler did, but at least that's debatable.  Kreuger isn't close either.   Eddie Munster has two national championships.

  • #68 by MikePiazza on 24 Dec 2014
  • I see that as a 7-4-1 split in favor of the new-   (Us, Bama, KY, LSU, and maybe MSU) -- there's no way Houston is an advantage over Tyndall by the way--  Wade Houston lost twenty games twice, in his 5 seasons as a collegiate head coach and had 3 losing records;  Tyndall has coached 8 seasons,  and has never lost more than 18, and has only one losing record ever.

    Kevin Stallings has taken Vanderbilt to multiple Sweet 16s and more success  than Fogler did, but at least that's debatable.  Kreuger isn't close either.   Eddie Munster has two national championships.



    Yeah, Houston was really only good when he had his son, didn't do my homework on him. I just think SEC basketball as a whole was stronger then than it is now.

    Donovan does have the two championships, but he's only done it at one school, whereas Kruger has taken FIVE different programs to the tourney, including three of them to the second weekend. And he took his Florida team to the Final Four when it had no business going.

    There's also a good chance Kruger gets a fourth program to the second weekend this year with his OU team.
  • #69 by hog golf on 25 Dec 2014
  • My prediction: disappointment. Before you jump on me, know this- I want to be wrong. Just not seeing many road wins in those 2/3 empty "hostile environments". I don't understand playing well against UK and UF and then laying egg against TAM, UG, MSU, etc on the road
  • #70 by Big Nasty 34 on 25 Dec 2014
  • Same as before, sadly. 12-6
  • #71 by porkinsons disease on 25 Dec 2014
  • 12-6 also
  • #72 by 10yrsofhell on 26 Dec 2014
  • We will finish behind Kentucky, Georgia, LSU, Flordia, and Tennessee.
    I hope I'm wrong. With the way the SEC officiates basketball, I am not confident CMA's style of coaching defense will be successful in ANY road game.
    100% full court trapping D leads to:
    1.A lot of 2 on 1 and easy layups for opposition.
    2. Fouls 30 to 90 feet away from the basket.
        2A. This leads to the opposition shooting freethrows early and often.
         2B. Early foul trouble for the Hogs.
    3. Being out of position to block out for the defensive rebounds.
  • #73 by jry04 on 26 Dec 2014
  • We will finish behind Kentucky, Georgia, LSU, Flordia, and Tennessee.
    I hope I'm wrong. With the way the SEC officiates basketball, I am not confident CMA's style of coaching defense will be successful in ANY road game.
    100% full court trapping D leads to:
    1.A lot of 2 on 1 and easy layups for opposition.
    2. Fouls 30 to 90 feet away from the basket.
        2A. This leads to the opposition shooting freethrows early and often.
         2B. Early foul trouble for the Hogs.
    3. Being out of position to block out for the defensive rebounds.

    ???

    We will finish 6th in the SEC? Really? Go watch a few Tennessee games and then come back and tell me they will finish ahead of us. UT will finish 8th or worse in the SEC. They cannot score enough or rebound enough to win, and they have already lost two role players so their bench is getting thinner.

    I have watched them 5 or 6 times now, and came away with the same conclusion even in their wins.

    223rd in Ppg, 284th in rebounds per game, and 312th in assist, and shoot about 44%from the field.  They will Be lucky to finish .500, and we will have double digits conference wins. Ut may beat us at home, but it will be because of us and not them. There is a reason they were picked like 11 or 12 in the conference.
  • #74 by Blutoblutarsky on 26 Dec 2014
  • Our home conference slate sucks. Not one game that will really excite anyone and we should win every game by 10-12+ points. It will be tough for us to average 10-12k fans per conference game.
  • #75 by MikePiazza on 26 Dec 2014
  • Our home conference slate sucks. Not one game that will really excite anyone and we should win every game by 10-12+ points. It will be tough for us to average 10-12k fans per conference game.

    Here was last year's conference attendance totals:

    No. 10 Florida 18,040
    No. 13 Kentucky 18,886
    Auburn 17,034
    Missouri 14,102
    Alabama 8,015 (icy conditions)
    LSU 18,904 (honored FF teams)
    S. Carolina 9,548
    Georgia 18,547
    Ole Miss 16,508
    ___________________________
    Average: 15,509

    There were two marquee matchups, Florida & Kentucky, and the Georgia & LSU games both outdrew the Florida game and LSU outdrew Kentucky simply because of the honoring of the former players and coaches and Bill Clinton.

    I think you'll see a similar average for this season, even without the two marquee matchups. If Arkansas wins that first road league game at Georgia, I think there will be 14-15K at BWA for Vandy, assuming there's no inclement weather.
  • #76 by Letsroll1200 on 26 Dec 2014
  • We will finish behind Kentucky, Georgia, LSU, Flordia, and Tennessee.
    I hope I'm wrong. With the way the SEC officiates basketball, I am not confident CMA's style of coaching defense will be successful in ANY road game.
    100% full court trapping D leads to:
    1.A lot of 2 on 1 and easy layups for opposition.
    2. Fouls 30 to 90 feet away from the basket.
        2A. This leads to the opposition shooting freethrows early and often.
         2B. Early foul trouble for the Hogs.
    3. Being out of position to block out for the defensive rebounds.

    From my observations we are better than Florida and Tenn. right now. We are even with Georgia and LSU at this time. Our intensity will be critical but I'm confident that the razorbacks are going to be much improved in the conference.
  • #77 by jry04 on 26 Dec 2014
  • Here was last year's conference attendance totals:

    No. 10 Florida 18,040
    No. 13 Kentucky 18,886
    Auburn 17,034
    Missouri 14,102
    Alabama 8,015 (icy conditions)
    LSU 18,904 (honored FF teams)
    S. Carolina 9,548
    Georgia 18,547
    Ole Miss 16,508
    ___________________________
    Average: 15,509

    There were two marquee matchups, Florida & Kentucky, and the Georgia & LSU games both outdrew the Florida game and LSU outdrew Kentucky simply because of the honoring of the former players and coaches and Bill Clinton.

    I think you'll see a similar average for this season, even without the two marquee matchups. If Arkansas wins that first road league game at Georgia, I think there will be 14-15K at BWA for Vandy, assuming there's no inclement weather.
    UGA was the National Championship team and Bill Clinton game.
  • #78 by jry04 on 26 Dec 2014
  • Our home conference slate sucks. Not one game that will really excite anyone and we should win every game by 10-12+ points. It will be tough for us to average 10-12k fans per conference game.
    Which further proves our fans suck. We should have a minimum of 12,000 fans for every game considering there are over 500k population before NWA and Fort Smith. We should not penalize the players because the SEC gave us a weak home schedule. They are still conference games, and each one is important.
  • #79 by MikePiazza on 26 Dec 2014
  • UGA was the National Championship team and Bill Clinton game.

    No, you're confusing the 2009 reunion with last year.
  • #80 by MississippiHawg on 26 Dec 2014
  • @Georgia - L
    Vandy - W
    @Tennessee - L
    Ole Miss - W
    Alabama - W
    @Mizzou - W
    Tennessee - W
    @Florida - L
    South Carolina - W
    Miss State - W
    @Auburn - W
    @Ole Miss - W
    Missouri - W
    @Miss State - W
    Texas AM - W
    @Kentucky - L
    @South Carolina - W
    LSU - W

    14-4 in the SEC. Putting us at 25-6 on the season.

    This is the best case scenario. With our showing at Iowa State and Clemson we are going to drop at least one game on the road that we shouldn't. I think that Georgia game is a trap game for us. We are coming off a four game cupcake streak and it is our first SEC game plus its on the road. I think we lose a close game at Tennessee because of a hostile crowd. I believe we go to Mizzou where CMA will be searching for revenge after dropping both games to them last year and we will sneak out a win. No matter how down Florida is this year I still do not see us winning in Gainesville. Kentucky is the best college basketball team I have ever seen plus they are seeking revenge from a season sweep last year so that is an obvious road loss. There are not any tough games at home so I see us winning all of them.

    This makes us a no-brainer for the tourney which is exactly what we need. I believe we win at least one game in the tourney and possibly two depending on our seeding. Go Hogs
  • #81 by root_hawg on 26 Dec 2014
  • Eliminating Kentucky which is head and shoulders above the rest, how many wins does the rest of the SEC have over teams that are currently ranked in the top 25?
  • #82 by 10yrsofhell on 26 Dec 2014
  • Yeah. I may have to rethink my Tn prediction. I was basing that on the one game I watched them. I believe they beat a good team that day.  Plus I think that their new coach will eventually get it done if he can recruit okay.
  • #83 by TheRazorback500 on 26 Dec 2014
  • @Georgia - L
    Vandy - W
    @Tennessee - L
    Ole Miss - W
    Alabama - W
    @Mizzou - W
    Tennessee - W
    @Florida - L
    South Carolina - W
    Miss State - W
    @Auburn - W
    @Ole Miss - W
    Missouri - W
    @Miss State - W
    Texas AM - W
    @Kentucky - L
    @South Carolina - W
    LSU - W

    14-4 in the SEC. Putting us at 25-6 on the season.
    I tend to agree, but with the track record of inconsistency and/or incompetence of SEC officials, I'd lean more toward 12-6.

     :razorback:
  • #84 by TheRazorbackGuy on 26 Dec 2014
  • Florida will underachieve in SEC play. The fans will think a change needs to be made to the assistants. Therefore, fans and alumni of the University of Florida call for Jon Pelphrey to be fired. It will be excellent drama!
  • #85 by root_hawg on 27 Dec 2014
  • Other than KY, the conference has 2 victories over what was ranked teams at the time of the game ... really.  Schedule someone!
  • #86 by jry04 on 27 Dec 2014
  • Other than KY, the conference has 2 victories over what was ranked teams at the time of the game ... really.  Schedule someone!
    SEC is #1 in SOS. Scheduling is not the problem. Getting the wins is the problem. There are plenty of wins over teams who were just outside the top 25, or fell out the week before. Creighton, SMU, Oklahoma State, Dayton, Oregon, Cincy...i am sure there are more that I am forgetting.
  • #87 by mhuff on 27 Dec 2014
  • Our home conference slate sucks. Not one game that will really excite anyone and we should win every game by 10-12+ points. It will be tough for us to average 10-12k fans per conference game.

    Usually wins go up...attendance goes up. It's a psychological thing. People don't like to be associated with a loser. Losing to a lot of Hog fans means being subpar to the glory years. Gotta see a revival before the congregation will come.
  • #88 by Hawg Red on 27 Dec 2014
  • @ Georgia - WIN
    Vanderbilt - WIN
    @ Tennessee - LOSS
    Ole Miss - WIN
    Alabama - WIN
    @ Missouri - WIN
    Tennessee - WIN
    @ Florida - LOSS
    South Carolina - WIN
    Mississippi State - WIN
    @ Auburn - WIN
    @ Ole Miss - LOSS
    Missouri - WIN
    @ Mississippi State - WIN
    Texas A&M - WIN
    @ Kentucky - LOSS
    @ South Carolina - LOSS
    LSU - WIN

    13-5
  • #89 by rzrbackramsfan on 27 Dec 2014
  • @ Georgia - 55% WIN
    Vanderbilt - 80% WIN
    @ Tennessee 55% WIN
    Ole Miss - 90% WIN
    Alabama - 80% WIN
    @ Missouri - 70% WIN
    Tennessee - 90% WIN
    @ Florida - 65% LOSS
    South Carolina 85% WIN
    Mississippi State 91% WIN
    @ Auburn 55% WIN
    @ Ole Miss 55% WIN
    Missouri - 95% WIN
    @ Mississippi State 60% WIN
    Texas A&M 80% WIN
    @ Kentucky 70% LOSS
    @ South Carolina 55% WIN
    LSU 85% WIN

    One or two of my 55% wins should go against us so 14-4 or 15-5
  • #90 by Pig Worshipper on 28 Dec 2014


  • 11-7

    We are too poor defensively and need at least one more pure shooter. NIT looks more probable.
  • #91 by razorbackchamps94 on 28 Dec 2014
  • @ Georgia - 55% WIN
    Vanderbilt - 80% WIN
    @ Tennessee 55% WIN
    Ole Miss - 90% WIN
    Alabama - 80% WIN
    @ Missouri - 70% WIN
    Tennessee - 90% WIN
    @ Florida - 65% LOSS
    South Carolina 85% WIN
    Mississippi State 91% WIN
    @ Auburn 55% WIN
    @ Ole Miss 55% WIN
    Missouri - 95% WIN
    @ Mississippi State 60% WIN
    Texas A&M 80% WIN
    @ Kentucky 70% LOSS
    @ South Carolina 55% WIN
    LSU 85% WIN

    One or two of my 55% wins should go against us so 14-4 or 15-5
    Will win less then 3 on the road !
  • #92 by -Blu on 13 Jan 2015
  • Bump...

    All those that are crying, I musta missed their post where everybody was projecting us to go undefeated in conference play.
  • #93 by rzrbackramsfan on 21 Feb 2015
  • Boom!  I told ya'll!!! 

    And what was that razorbackchamps94, we won't win more than 3 on the road?
  • #94 by RussVegas Hawg on 21 Feb 2015
  • Boom!  I told ya'll!!!
    And what was that razorbackchamps94, we won't win more than 3 on the road?

    Being a negative poster is all he knows. He only shows up when we lose a game or in the game thread when we are losing at the time to point out all the negatives.
  • #95 by FreshHog on 21 Feb 2015
  • Will lose more then 5 SEC games .. We just can't win on the road

    HAHAHAHA This post looks so great in hindsight.
  • #96 by forrest city joe on 21 Feb 2015
  • HAHAHAHA This post looks so great in hindsight.
    Didn't work out to good for him did it? notice him and some others have not been around much since all this winning started?
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