Heisman Bias Lives here!

[Mark Lericos]

   http://www.4029tv.com/sportsblog/index.html

[Bill CHILL]

Yep. Our boy got screwed on account of a 6:1 difference in population ratio. ESPN wanted to sell ads and increase viewership and the news papers wanted to sell more papers. They're number four in the country with about 18 million people and we are 33rd with 2.8 million. The media will pimp them over us any day. That's my take.

ESPN can rot for all I care.

[ontop]

the man will even work on his vacation, wow! thanks scoop (aka Yeah, probably so.)

[hawgsav1]

I swear I will never ever forgive ESPN for this...

[PorkBrainz]

Yep. Our boy got screwed on account of a 6:1 difference in population ratio. ESPN wanted to sell ads and increase viewership and the news papers wanted to sell more papers. They're number four in the country with about 18 million people and we are 33rd with 2.8 million. The media will pimp them over us any day. That's my take.

ESPN can rot for all I care.

Wow, I haven't even read the article yet, but what you're saying here was what I was thinking last night after I saw someone post the difference in our respective states' populations! It's a huge difference, especially in  advertising $$, etc., for ESPN. No wonder they've been pumping and pimping Tebow for so long.
Now, to read the article! Thanks.

[PorkBrainz]

That didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, except that Mark, if he had a vote, would have chose Tebow. Now that Sux!
How many online polls did you vote for Tebow in, Mark?
I voted in so many of them, for Darren, I can't even count them. I don't know if any of them even mattered, in the long run, but some were promoted as if they did count.
The whole thing was a disgusting sham, and the media was biased toward the well spoken pretty white boy, Sophomore, from the big state of Florida. That's my opinion.

[razorbass]

ESPN sucks, but like he said i love sports so what do you do?

[Hoggurl1964]

That didn't tell us anything we didn't already know, except that Mark, if he had a vote, would have chose Tebow. Now that Sux!
How many online polls did you vote for Tebow in, Mark?
I voted in so many of them, for Darren, I can't even count them. I don't know if any of them even mattered, in the long run, but some were promoted as if they did count.
The whole thing was a disgusting sham, and media biased toward the well spoken pretty white boy, Sophomore, from the big state of Florida. That's my opinion.

I agree with you 100%. And although I do agree with Lericos' assessment of ESPN and their 24/7 pimpfest for Tebow, I couldn't get past his statement about, although McFadden is the most talented player, he would've voted for Tebow because he had the better season. Whoa! See, that's is part of the problem right there. The vast majoity of the sportswriters and pundits readily admit that McFadden is the most talented, most outstanding football player in the country. If that's the case, then why deny him the Heisman? Oh gee, I forgot, he had a bad game against Auburn. So instead, let's give it to this three loss sophomore quarterback who couldn't even lead his team to the SEC championship let alone a sniff a national championship. Makes perfect sense to me.

[firemanhogfan]

while i somewhat agree with your blog scoop, i think you were wishy washy concerning who was the best player in the country.  was it darren or tim?  clearly, the amount of touchdowns favored tim but you add that in the last two years darren has been the best player in the country, and yet you say you would have voted for tim.  i guess i am a little confused.  lost a little faith in you, scoop!

[TMooney]

I got the feeling my self a week ago. [should have been sooner I guess]
I work with ESPN radio on all day.
This subject has grown inside me and actually made me sick yesterday listening all day .
I didnt enjoy last night because of it .

I dont have a problem with the winner . My problem lies with ESPN.

Sad.

[bigredone]

The bias is automatically there for any QB. Last year 2 of 3 finalists, this year 3 of 4. DMAC was the best football player at any level from what I saw this last year but the QB automatically gets more attention. Tebow put up record stats for a QB, DMAC got more yards than he had last year. I would have picked DMAC, but I can see that the odds said Tebow because of the bias toward QB.

[hillhog]

Is it now called the ESPN Heisman Trophy? The voting on this award should not be open to the general public for the very reason Mark points out, the vast discrepancy is population centers. But then this writer himself says that he would have voted for Tebow but not because he is the best player?? In that case I can't give him anymore credence than I give ESPN.

[Jellohawg]

Every dog has their day!

[Michael Porkleone]

I got the feeling my self a week ago. [should have been sooner I guess]
I work with ESPN radio on all day.
This subject has grown inside me and actually made me sick yesterday listening all day .
I didnt enjoy last night because of it .

I dont have a problem with the winner . My problem lies with ESPN.

Sad.

Don't get so mad TMoney....

We need you in top form at the Adam's Mark on New Years.

[hogtrack776]

Does the Heisman go to the one with the most media coverage or best player???

[Mark Lericos]

Is it now called the ESPN Heisman Trophy? The voting on this award should not be open to the general public for the very reason Mark points out, the vast discrepancy is population centers. But then this writer himself says that he would have voted for Tebow but not because he is the best player?? In that case I can't give him anymore credence than I give ESPN.

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player. Both played hurt, both were diverse. But Tebow not only was more consistent, but he wasn't just average throwing the ball, he was the best in the SEC. My take is it's a lot harder to be an SEC QB, deal with the mental aspect of that, plus be a bruising running back. Both players are special, and I would have loved to see DMAC win. But he deserved to win over Troy Smith more than he did Tim Tebow. It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his.

[ErieHog]

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player. Both played hurt, both were diverse. But Tebow not only was more consistent, but he wasn't just average throwing the ball, he was the best in the SEC. My take is it's a lot harder to be an SEC QB, deal with the mental aspect of that, plus be a bruising running back. Both players are special, and I would have loved to see DMAC win. But he deserved to win over Troy Smith more than he did Tim Tebow. It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his.

I would have to disagree with the 'any other year' part;   both Tebow and McFadden were beneficiaries of a year in which no dominant, undefeated team emerged from a BCS conference.    Had there been a  0 or 1 loss guy who was a former All-American/All-BCS Conference QB type,  they would have walked away with the award.   The closest parallels we had this year were Brennan, who won his games, but was less dominant than he has been in the past, at a non-BCS school,   and Chase Daniel, who while a small name,  fell flat on the national stage against the same team twice.     If Reising has the same season, and Kansas has another huge year next year,  you can bet he will appear in the Top 5.   Three and four loss teams rarely put their players in a position to win the Heisman.

[bcdeputy]

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player. Both played hurt, both were diverse. But Tebow not only was more consistent, but he wasn't just average throwing the ball, he was the best in the SEC. My take is it's a lot harder to be an SEC QB, deal with the mental aspect of that, plus be a bruising running back. Both players are special, and I would have loved to see DMAC win. But he deserved to win over Troy Smith more than he did Tim Tebow. It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his.

No, 2 years in a row he got screwed over by players that won't amount to anything close to him in the pros.  Nor did either amount to anything close to him in college.  He should be with Archie Griffin right now as the only 2 time winners.  Although Hershel Walker would be in this group too if not for the USFL.

[sylvia]

The test for Tebow will be next year concerning the "mental" and physical aspect of it when he is a marked man by defenses as Dmac was all year this year.  DMac still improved his numbers and actually broke records, even though he played hurt.  McFadden should have won it.

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player. Both played hurt, both were diverse. But Tebow not only was more consistent, but he wasn't just average throwing the ball, he was the best in the SEC. My take is it's a lot harder to be an SEC QB, deal with the mental aspect of that, plus be a bruising running back. Both players are special, and I would have loved to see DMAC win. But he deserved to win over Troy Smith more than he did Tim Tebow. It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his.

[hogster23]

IF it wasnt for ESPN Dmac would not have gotten to New York last year....they had the same 'pimpfest' for him last year starting with the Tennessee game....to bad it was taboo for a sophmore to win then.....

[porcine1]

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player. Both played hurt, both were diverse. But Tebow not only was more consistent, but he wasn't just average throwing the ball, he was the best in the SEC. My take is it's a lot harder to be an SEC QB, deal with the mental aspect of that, plus be a bruising running back. Both players are special, and I would have loved to see DMAC win. But he deserved to win over Troy Smith more than he did Tim Tebow. It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his.

I guess you didn't see Tebow against Georgia then.
Also, you think it's easier in the SEC to run against stacked defenses than it is to pass for 300 yards a game to superior receivers?

[Tejano Jawg]

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player. Both played hurt, both were diverse. But Tebow not only was more consistent, but he wasn't just average throwing the ball, he was the best in the SEC. My take is it's a lot harder to be an SEC QB, deal with the mental aspect of that, plus be a bruising running back. Both players are special, and I would have loved to see DMAC win. But he deserved to win over Troy Smith more than he did Tim Tebow. It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his.

Now that it's over, the votes have been counted, I think this is a good conclusion. There's no question Tebow had one of the best QB years ever, stat-wise...a tough draw for DMac. As opposed to going up against Troy Smith, Jason White or Chris Weinke. I bet there are a few voters out there who would like a do-over from last year.

[chevygal]

Does the Heisman go to the one with the most media coverage or best player???

Well, it obviously doesn't go to the best player, because the BEST player did not win last night!  Unfortunately, I feel as if all the gloom and doom surrounding Arkansas and the whole Nutt thing (I am by NO means a Nutt supporter) did not help D-Macs cause.  Arkansas is NOT one of the most popular schools in the college sports world.  I have been watching Arkansas sports since I was knee high to a grasshopper (over 30 years now) and I really do not ever remember sports commentators giving Arkansas much love, which truly sucks.  Darren McFadden will always be a Heisman winner in my mind!!! :razorback:

[josh_sec33]

again, complain to the ESPN ombudsman. That's her job to deal with bias or bad reporting.

[Blyboy205]

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player...

If that's the case then Colt Brennan should have won it by a landslide according to your logic there.

[D Ive Wright]

   http://www.4029tv.com/sportsblog/index.html

It's all about ratings. Flordia is a much bigger than Arkansas.

[hawgXi]

 there was a clear example of "the bias" thursday night during the college football awards ceremony produced by ESPN.

when tebow was introduced, they included 5 or 6 lines of text touting his SEC record for rushing TD's; 20/20 TD's, etc.

when they introduced Dmac, the only graphic they had for him was one line which read:  5 games with 150+ yards rushing.

[turbo2000]

Hence the nickname: The Hypesman Trophy.

[murray-vegas]

Colt threw 5 INT vs Idaho and 4 INT vs SJSU. Not sure how that qualifies as the best QB when Tebow threw 6 INT the entire year in a much better conference. I wish I could find a stat to tell how many fumbles each player had. I can remember McFadden dropping the ball alot more this year than last year(or it just seemed like it). Can't find TT's stats on fumbles either but he did lead a powerful offense this year and I have no problem saying he won the award with his passer rating.

Arkansas fans are quick to try to add every stat to McFadden's numbers per game(passing, kickoffs, etc) but dismiss every stat for Tebow. I don't care if he ran for 22 1 yard TD's. If he threw a pass on those plays would you be arguing that he threw 50+ 1 yd TDs? He also got his team down the field to get in that position and didn't turn the ball over. I don't hear any hog fans complaining that McFadden got his yards from the wildhog formation and not a true tailback position. McFadden had a great year and has nothing to be worried about.

I think ESPN gave praise to both players this season. No one outside of Arkansas had paid much attention to McFadden 6 games into the 06 season and ESPN is responsible for pimping him last year. All I've heard all season on that station is that he will be the best pro of the four. Is that what the Heisman is for? I can't tell you. They have plenty of seasons to figure that out.

You guys sound like the guy who's mad at the prom because a girl you like danced with someone besides you.

[Brand X Hog Fan]

Darren McFadden is the best all around football player in America, hands down. He runs the ball, catches the ball, passes the ball, blocks, and returns kick offs. If you lined him up on defense he would be the premiere safety in the country. He should have won the damnable trophy.

Luckily, I have never been an ESPN junkie. I tune in for games and the occasional sportscenter to watch highlights and that's about it. If their coverage was as lopsided as folks are saying then it is just another example of the media pushing their own agenda instead of objectively presenting the facts. Why would we expect anything else?

[CowHog]

I guess thats what Arkansas gets for being a small market without much media coverage out side the borders of our state.........We always get the shaft it seems

[HoginHouston]

Colt threw 5 INT vs Idaho and 4 INT vs SJSU. Not sure how that qualifies as the best QB when Tebow threw 6 INT the entire year in a much better conference. I wish I could find a stat to tell how many fumbles each player had. I can remember McFadden dropping the ball alot more this year than last year(or it just seemed like it). Can't find TT's stats on fumbles either but he did lead a powerful offense this year and I have no problem saying he won the award with his passer rating.

Arkansas fans are quick to try to add every stat to McFadden's numbers per game(passing, kickoffs, etc) but dismiss every stat for Tebow. I don't care if he ran for 22 1 yard TD's. If he threw a pass on those plays would you be arguing that he threw 50+ 1 yd TDs? He also got his team down the field to get in that position and didn't turn the ball over. I don't hear any hog fans complaining that McFadden got his yards from the wildhog formation and not a true tailback position. McFadden had a great year and has nothing to be worried about.

I think ESPN gave praise to both players this season. No one outside of Arkansas had paid much attention to McFadden 6 games into the 06 season and ESPN is responsible for pimping him last year. All I've heard all season on that station is that he will be the best pro of the four. Is that what the Heisman is for? I can't tell you. They have plenty of seasons to figure that out.

You guys sound like the guy who's mad at the prom because a girl you like danced with someone besides you.

-1

McFadden was the best player in college football this season. He lost by a very small margin, and ESPN's constant slobbering on Tebow's nob had a lot to do with that. Maybe McFadden doesn't fit their bill of an all-American guy or whatever but I guarantee you the pro scouts are not worried about the fact that he didn't win the Heisman. I would love to see him run for 300 yards against Missouri and force some of those voters to rethink their votes...

[nughaud]

So what you are saying Mark is, you gave it to Tebow because his played well into the 4th quarter in all of his games?  Last time I checked the coaches are the ones who decide who is in the game for what play or how long they play.  If Tebow comes out of the blowout games, which he did not like McFadden did numerous times, at least twice McFadden didn't play in the 4th quarter and once he didn't play at all in the second half, and on top of that McFadden plays with Felix Jones who takes away TDs along with our all everything Peyton Hillis.  Tebow has the ball in his hands everytime, so if he throws it, he scores a TD, or if he runs it he scores a TD.  Since Florida doesn't have a RB per say, as they run the WR Percy Harvin the most.  Tebow's stats are all skewed and you only voted for Tebow based on his SKEWED stats.

I'll forgive you because all people make mistakes, but if you are going to vote incorrectly, then you need to understand why you voted incorrectly and learn from your mistakes. 

Let me know the next time someone runs for 321 yards or more in the SEC or has 200 yards rushing against LSU.  I don't think either of those will happen in the next 10 years, but hey, what do I know, I would of voted for McFadden... I guess winning the SEC offensive player of the year earns you #2 in the Heisman voting against another player in the same conference.

I'll end on this quote you said: "It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his."  No, that's what they said last year, and since you voted for Tebow, you just invalidated your argument.
McFadden was shafted by many including his coaching staff, but to be shafted by his own, that's shameless.
Just so you know Mark, the Heisman is given to the best player, not the player with the best season. 

I go by who had the best season, not who is the best athlete or player. Both played hurt, both were diverse. But Tebow not only was more consistent, but he wasn't just average throwing the ball, he was the best in the SEC. My take is it's a lot harder to be an SEC QB, deal with the mental aspect of that, plus be a bruising running back. Both players are special, and I would have loved to see DMAC win. But he deserved to win over Troy Smith more than he did Tim Tebow. It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his.

[PulledPork]

I am just happy in the fact that Darren will become a premier player in the "other'' league.  We all know how well, Gino Toretta, Charlie Ward, Troy Smith, Andre Ware did in the "other" league.  That will be good enough for me!!



PP

[nughaud]

Just make sure when you keep pimping Tebow out to your boys, you let them know that Tebow gets the ball each time the ball is snapped; Florida has no real RB, so Tebow and WR Harvin get most of the carries, and when McFadden is on the bench at halftime for one game because of a blowout and 2-3 times in the 4th quarter, Tebow is still on the field running up his PADDED stats.  You could even go so far as to include Felix Jones, and Peyton Hills and how they take away scores from McFadden...

I think that's about it... no shying away here, just FACTS.  Sure it should of been a close vote, but McFadden should of won, and since the Heisman is voted on by people like Mark, there will continue to be bias involved.  Why do you think McFadden won the Walter Camp award...and he won the SEC Offensive player of the year... It means that players and coaches know who the best player is, the writers are all skewed by stats and the power of media in Florida.

Colt threw 5 INT vs Idaho and 4 INT vs SJSU. Not sure how that qualifies as the best QB when Tebow threw 6 INT the entire year in a much better conference. I wish I could find a stat to tell how many fumbles each player had. I can remember McFadden dropping the ball alot more this year than last year(or it just seemed like it). Can't find TT's stats on fumbles either but he did lead a powerful offense this year and I have no problem saying he won the award with his passer rating.

Arkansas fans are quick to try to add every stat to McFadden's numbers per game(passing, kickoffs, etc) but dismiss every stat for Tebow. I don't care if he ran for 22 1 yard TD's. If he threw a pass on those plays would you be arguing that he threw 50+ 1 yd TDs? He also got his team down the field to get in that position and didn't turn the ball over. I don't hear any hog fans complaining that McFadden got his yards from the wildhog formation and not a true tailback position. McFadden had a great year and has nothing to be worried about.

I think ESPN gave praise to both players this season. No one outside of Arkansas had paid much attention to McFadden 6 games into the 06 season and ESPN is responsible for pimping him last year. All I've heard all season on that station is that he will be the best pro of the four. Is that what the Heisman is for? I can't tell you. They have plenty of seasons to figure that out.

You guys sound like the guy who's mad at the prom because a girl you like danced with someone besides you.

[ErieHog]

This "ESPN cost McFadden the Heisman" conspiracy theory is laughable.

ESPN's talking heads simply don't command enough respect across the nation among the media to sway that many votes.

Scott, as a media member, do you not also think it is fair to say that the primary agenda of any writer is to meet their deadline, not to persecute any particular program?

[nughaud]

I'm not sure where most people get their sports information from, but I'm be willing to bet 70% of TV audiences get their sports fix from ESPN.  Take it for what it's worth, but if it's on TV, and they here Tebow 20x to McFadden's 1x, then simple logic concludes they will be voting for Tebow.  It's the same reason political candidates spend millions on TV ads, because it's BUYS votes.

This "ESPN cost McFadden the Heisman" conspiracy theory is laughable.

ESPN's talking heads simply don't command enough respect across the nation among the media to sway that many votes.

[Mark Lericos]

So what you are saying Mark is, you gave it to Tebow because his played well into the 4th quarter in all of his games?  Last time I checked the coaches are the ones who decide who is in the game for what play or how long they play.  If Tebow comes out of the blowout games, which he did not like McFadden did numerous times, at least twice McFadden didn't play in the 4th quarter and once he didn't play at all in the second half, and on top of that McFadden plays with Felix Jones who takes away TDs along with our all everything Peyton Hillis.  Tebow has the ball in his hands everytime, so if he throws it, he scores a TD, or if he runs it he scores a TD.  Since Florida doesn't have a RB per say, as they run the WR Percy Harvin the most.  Tebow's stats are all skewed and you only voted for Tebow based on his SKEWED stats.

I'll forgive you because all people make mistakes, but if you are going to vote incorrectly, then you need to understand why you voted incorrectly and learn from your mistakes. 

Let me know the next time someone runs for 321 yards or more in the SEC or has 200 yards rushing against LSU.  I don't think either of those will happen in the next 10 years, but hey, what do I know, I would of voted for McFadden... I guess winning the SEC offensive player of the year earns you #2 in the Heisman voting against another player in the same conference.

I'll end on this quote you said: "It's just bad timing. Any other year it would have been his."  No, that's what they said last year, and since you voted for Tebow, you just invalidated your argument.
McFadden was shafted by many including his coaching staff, but to be shafted by his own, that's shameless.
Just so you know Mark, the Heisman is given to the best player, not the player with the best season. 

   And Tebow, in my opinion, had the best season. Just because he touched it more, isn't a negative. He did more with more touches.... and in the same conference. In my mind Dmac lost the Heisman early in the season because of bad playcalling.

[SpiritHog]

If that's the case then Colt Brennan should have won it by a landslide according to your logic there.

Following his logic Colt should have received the award.  He certainly had a better season.

[Mark Lericos]

70 percent of the TV audience, but not 70 percent of the media voting on the Heisman.

The majority of Heisman voters put in a lot of time and effort choosing their picks. They aren't going to watch the talking heads on ESPN and then say "Well, if that's who Mark May thinks should win then I'll vote for that guy too."

The media is not that easily swayed.

That's naive Scott. Most voters can't watch other games than their market area, so they turn to ESPN for highlights, and 10 seconds after the final score there are 2 analysts spouting what happened, voters will listen. It has an impact. I'll personally guarantee it.

[nughaud]

I'll agree to disagree.  Haha... Let's see, if you go based on geography, and take the West, I'm sure they voted more for Dixon or Brennan. If you go with the SE, I'm sure they voted for more Tebow, and the Midwest was probably more for McFadden.  "The media is not that easily swayed."  First, not only are they swayed based on a number of factors to include, Alma Mater, where they grew up, who they associate with, and what area they cover to name a few.  In an unbiased world, the media would not be swayed, but they are, and it's because they are like the rest of us, except in this case they vote for the Heisman.  It's also bias, because players and coaches are involved directly in the game and many coaches played ball, this cannot be said for reporters.  Just because you are a reporter/writer/part of the media etc, that means nothing.  I could go to work tomorrow for a small media outlet and become a voter, even if I never played the sport. 

There isn't anything else to argue here, and I never did bring up Mark May.  I said when all you hear on ESPN is Tebow this and Tebow that, it's logic that says you'll vote for Tebow if it was a toss up.  The media sways many things... just look at this site and the information which is reported about who our next coach is or was supposed to be.  You can say all you want that the media isn't swayed, but the media is just like me and you, except some vote for The Heisman, and as long as that's the case there will be controversy.

Good Luck McFadden, you got screwed, but your day will come.

70 percent of the TV audience, but not 70 percent of the media voting on the Heisman.

The majority of Heisman voters put in a lot of time and effort choosing their picks. They aren't going to watch the talking heads on ESPN and then say "Well, if that's who Mark May thinks should win then I'll vote for that guy too."

The media is not that easily swayed.

[nughaud]

At least Mark you go agree with that, I just am disappointed you voted for Tebow given all the reasons behind his skewed stats.  I do agree McFadden was given the short end of the stick do to the play calling and decision making of our staff, but on the opposite end of the stick, Tebow was playing almost the whole game and padding stats after games were long decided.  Since this award was given to Tebow, it's based on his 20+20 TDs rushing/passing and combines 50+ TDs, but those are just inflated scores that meant nothing in which someone else could of done the mop-up job.  You have to take all that into account when voting, and I don't believe the voters like yourself did that.  I'll ask you again... 321 yard rushing or 200 yards rushing against LSU... do you think you will see that in the next 10 years by a single rusher?

That's naive Scott. Most voters can't watch other games than their market area, so they turn to ESPN for highlights, and 10 seconds after the final score there are 2 analysts spouting what happened, voters will listen. It has an impact. I'll personally guarantee it.

[Mark Lericos]

At least Mark you go agree with that, I just am disappointed you voted for Tebow given all the reasons behind his skewed stats.  I do agree McFadden was given the short end of the stick do to the play calling and decision making of our staff, but on the opposite end of the stick, Tebow was playing almost the whole game and padding stats after games were long decided.  Since this award was given to Tebow, it's based on his 20+20 TDs rushing/passing and combines 50+ TDs, but those are just inflated scores that meant nothing in which someone else could of done the mop-up job.  You have to take all that into account when voting, and I don't believe the voters like yourself did that.  I'll ask you again... 321 yard rushing or 200 yards rushing against LSU... do you think you will see that in the next 10 years by a single rusher?

1. I did not have an actual vote. I said if I did....

2.  Look at Tebow's stats. It's more than 20/20. Put your Arkansas bias aside, and look at the stats and the body of work OVER A SEASON. Not 500 yds rushing in 2 games. McFadden had a couple monster games, Tebow was consistently better over a season. His average yard per throw, his efficiency rating, how many INT, playing hurt, completion percentage, etc.

  Whether you want to admit it or not, both were deserving. I would have understood Dmac winning, and I can understand Tebow winning. Both had monster years in the SEC. And forget Brennan, he may have had a better year statistically, but that was in the Hawaiian Island Chain Mountain Conference of the Tiki. Doesn't compare to Tebow.

[nughaud]

That's apples and oranges... Tebow is a QB, McFadden is a RB.  Tebow did more with more touches?  Well he will always get it more and should do more because of that.  You can't compare them like that because they play different positions.  I would like to know what pushed you to vote for Tebow over McFadden exactly.  What else did McFadden need to do?  2,000 yards?  More 200 yard rushing games?  Was 321 yards rushing not enough?  Was 200 yards rushing against #1 LSU in Baton Rouge and also throwing a TD not enough?... FYI Florida lost to LSU.  I'm just curious what pushed you to vote for Tebow... it obviously wasn't his negative rushing yards against Auburn.. I guess it was his STATS, which are skewed, as he played almost all of each game, and that combined with no running game from FL allowed Tebow to get those stats.

You can't keep comparing apples to oranges.. especially if Tebow is an apple, because Arkansas has 3 oranges who share the ball..McFadden, Jones and Hillis, and that's what McFadden's stats for TDs aren't going to be mind boggling, but when you see only STATS, Tebow's are gonna be insane, but it's nothing but skewed stats, and I guess that's all The Heisman is anymore, nothing but a stats award.

   And Tebow, in my opinion, had the best season. Just because he touched it more, isn't a negative. He did more with more touches.... and in the same conference. In my mind Dmac lost the Heisman early in the season because of bad playcalling.

[nughaud]

I have put my bias aside, and I've said all the reasons why Tebow's stats are skewed.  I wish you would address those, and talk about how many quarters of football McFadden did not play compared to Tebow.  I just want to understand how you can not vote for McFadden, there has to be something that just grabs you from Tebow.. if it's the stats, that's fine, but I've already covered why Tebow's stats are insane, and that's not a good enough reason for him to win it.

1. I did not have an actual vote. I said if I did....

2.  Look at Tebow's stats. It's more than 20/20. Put your Arkansas bias aside, and look at the stats and the body of work OVER A SEASON. Not 500 yds rushing in 2 games. McFadden had a couple monster games, Tebow was consistently better over a season. His average yard per throw, his efficiency rating, how many INT, playing hurt, completion percentage, etc.

  Whether you want to admit it or not, both were deserving. I would have understood Dmac winning, and I can understand Tebow winning. Both had monster years in the SEC. And forget Brennan, he may have had a better year statistically, but that was in the Hawaiian Island Chain Mountain Conference of the Tiki. Doesn't compare to Tebow.

[Razorback Jedi]

I would have voted for Tebow, too. DMac just ran into a better player, again.

[redsnapper]

I don't have a huge problem with the selection, but I wonder if HDN hadn't "called out" the ESPN guys, what the outcome would have been. Perhaps the same, but that childish display certainly did not help with media types.

[Buk69]

ESPN SUCKS!!!! 

[Razorpimpin01]

The bottom line is, IMO, if AR runs the wildcat as much all season as they did in 3 of the last 4 (all wins), AR has a better record, Darren has 2000 yards rushing, a couple of more TD passes and the trophy. Don't know if ESPN pimping Tebow helped him or not but I'm sure the Coach from Ole Miss calling out Lou "the spitter" and Mark May on CBS didn't help.

[SpiritHog]

I have an idea.  As a state let's all hit the mute button while Mark May is talking.