Get Clinton involved in Landing BG

[moses_007]

Let's get Bill Clinton involved.  He's a great Arkansas basketball fan...was there rooting for us in the Final Four in 94.  Get Clinton to call BG.  I bet he could get through when Broyles couldn't. 

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[hoginsanfran]

Let's get Bill Clinton involved.  He's a great Arkansas basketball fan...was there rooting for us in the Final Four in 94.  Get Clinton to call BG.  I bet he could get through when Broyles couldn't. 

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

what if BG is a republican?

[pigfeet]

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[RayRay99TAMU]

George H. W. Bush has spoken in the past with Billy, most recently before their tourney run.  Clinton has no pull.

[who?mikejones]

already have a former pres on our side and is a regular at our games

[Hog in MO]

What's BC gonna do?  Give him an intern hookup? 

[sponge_bob_4]

I don't think having a fan call a coaching candidate will cause the coach to sign the contract!  I mean how rediculous would Gillispie sound when he is asked:  "Coach Gillispie, what was the deciding factor for you in taking the job at Arkansas?"  Gillispie:  "Well, it really boiled down to Bill Clinton asking me to coach here.  Anything for Bill!"  I mean seriously....if he's gonna come, he's gonna come.  We don't need Clinton to stick his big nose in all this....but yes you're right.  Clinton is a big fan

[momahog]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

[ErieHog]

Let's get Bill Clinton involved.  He's a great Arkansas basketball fan...was there rooting for us in the Final Four in 94.  Get Clinton to call BG.  I bet he could get through when Broyles couldn't. 

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

what if BG is a republican?

He is successful.   Probably not the best idea to bring in Bill

[darth sooie]

He could be a good wingman for BG but i'm sure HDN thinks that will be his job

[prairiehogcompanion]

George H. W. Bush has spoken in the past with Billy, most recently before their tourney run.  Clinton has no pull.

George H. W. Bush = The Ultimate Aggie

[Dugann]

ROFL.....maybe he will let BG sleep over in the Lincon bedroom in a few years?  Throw that in and some cigars.

[Hogeration]

Maybe BG doesn't like fat chicks.

[Hogwild01]

Hide your daughter, Billy!

Now that is funny!!!

[hawgtilIdie]

Let's badmouth Clinton, when we have the worst President ever in office right now!

[cfhogs]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

compared to the honest, intelligent, leader of the free world that we have now (sarcastic)

i will take bill anyday

[prairiehogcompanion]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

That's no way to talk about the Leader of the Free World, even if SMU doesn't want his presidential library.
compared to the honest, intelligent, leader of the free world that we have now (sarcastic)

i will take bill anyday

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

compared to the honest, intelligent, leader of the free world that we have now (sarcastic)

i will take bill anyday

[moses_007]

We will have Bill in the White House again...as First Man.

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[who?mikejones]

well he has pull with about half the people, give  or take a few

[Man Mountain Truth]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

I really enjoy reading posts from people that have IQ's in the neighborhood of a luke-warm glass of water.  I hope there is a 'Morons Anonymous' chapter close to the rock you live under.

[who?mikejones]

well since the current disscusion of bcg coming/not coming to UofA lets have a political one. yee haw

[moses_007]

I suspect every single person in Hogville likes Clinton more than HDN anyway.   :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[The_Bionic_Pig]

I betcha Monica could make a impact... 

[rev. tim]

Let's get Bill Clinton involved.  He's a great Arkansas basketball fan...was there rooting for us in the Final Four in 94.  Get Clinton to call BG.  I bet he could get through when Broyles couldn't. 

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

If Clinton's such a great Hog fan, why does he choose to live in NY?

Oh yeah - so his wife can run for president. 

And so he can keep dating.  I guess he ran out of options in Arkansas.

[rev. tim]

I suspect every single person in Hogville likes Clinton more than HDN anyway.   :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

I have more respect for HDN's wife than I do Bill's.

[owl]

I suspect every single person in Hogville likes Clinton more than HDN anyway.   :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

   Hell no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I despise the HUTE

[cfhogs]

how come every argument and negative comment about clinton is about his scandal, i never hear anyone criticize his policy. and most think that you cant be a democrat and a christian. well im both.

[chitownhog]

Well with the  Bushes in aTm 's corner I guess all their money most come from the Saudi's too.  Now we have no shot of outbidding them for BG

[theoutsider]

One lied about oral sex.  The other lied about war, bringing on the deaths of over a 100,000 heathens (and Christians alike).   But of course, they don't count for some reason in the hearts of many "Christians."   Poor saps--imagine all the Christians you could have made out of them.  Too bad they were born in the wrong part of the world at the wrong time.  Alas, God works in mysterious ways, eh ya heartless ones?

As Stephen Colbert says, "reality has a liberal bias."

Despite all logic, you believe what you believe.  Continuing to be pre-destined, fate-controlled pawns of much greater forces...

[imisswarrenlinn]

He is speaking tonight at O.B.U.  Can we get a plane to stop in Arkadelphia en route to College Station??

[Publius]

how come every argument and negative comment about clinton is about his scandal, i never hear anyone criticize his policy. and most think that you cant be a democrat and a christian. well im both.

Which policies are you referring to?  Hillarycare, don't ask don't tell, not allowing the FBI and CIA to share intelligence and perhaps hindering the rise of Al-Quaida, not having the balls to let the Sudanese turn over Bin Laden when they had him in their possession, threatening to derail welfare reform until he was finally forced to by a Republican congress, his policy of requiring the Pentagon to seek "special permission for the promotion of all white men without disabilities", his anti-Serb campaigns in the Balkans that helped spread Islamic radicalism in Europe, or perhaps the fact that he deployed the US military overseas 44 times during his 8 years when previously the military had been deployed outside America only 8 times in the previous 45 years.

[Publius]

One lied about oral sex.  The other lied about war, bringing on the deaths of over a 100,000 heathens (and Christians alike).   But of course, they don't count for some reason in the hearts of many "Christians."   Poor saps--imagine all the Christians you could have made out of them.  Too bad they were born in the wrong part of the world at the wrong time.  Alas, God works in mysterious ways, eh ya heartless ones?

As Stephen Colbert says, "reality has a liberal bias."

Despite all logic, you believe what you believe.  Continuing to be pre-destined, fate-controlled pawns of much greater forces...

What lie are you refering to?  WMDs?

[towneofbeverlyhills]

yeah, if I'm billy that would make me not come to Arkansas.

[cfhogs]

how come every argument and negative comment about clinton is about his scandal, i never hear anyone criticize his policy. and most think that you cant be a democrat and a christian. well im both.

Which policies are you referring to?  Hillarycare, don't ask don't tell, not allowing the FBI and CIA to share intelligence and perhaps hindering the rise of Al-Quaida, not having the balls to let the Sudanese turn over Bin Laden when they had him in their possession, threatening to derail welfare reform until he was finally forced to by a Republican congress, his policy of requiring the Pentagon to seek "special permission for the promotion of all white men without disabilities", his anti-Serb campaigns in the Balkans that helped spread Islamic radicalism in Europe, or perhaps the fact that he deployed the US military overseas 44 times during his 8 years when previously the military had been deployed outside America only 8 times in the previous 45 years.

as i said "most people", your the exception to the rule. i cant argue with some of your points, you've put thought into them, and i can appreciate that. i can agree with you, clinton had some questionable views, but "most people" dont look at it the way you do. they just automatically use the scandal to demolish clinton. just as alot of dems attack bush for lacking the brain power that other presidents have had..

[ThunderHog]

We will have Bill in the White House again...as First Man.

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

He is marrying Barack??

just kidding... but It will be between those two...

Who says we aren't ready for our first woman or black president? We just had our first retarded one.

We will have Bill in the White House again...as First Man.

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

He is marrying Barack??

just kidding... but It will be between those two...

Who says we aren't ready for our first woman or black president? We just had our first retarded one.

Obama probaly can't pull the majority black vote over Hillary.  His mother (deceased) was a caucasian from Kansas and his father (also deceased) is not a descendant of slaves.  He was an exchange student from Kenya.  He (Obama) is simply not black enough.

[hoginsanfran]

One lied about oral sex.  The other lied about war, bringing on the deaths of over a 100,000 heathens (and Christians alike).   But of course, they don't count for some reason in the hearts of many "Christians."   Poor saps--imagine all the Christians you could have made out of them.  Too bad they were born in the wrong part of the world at the wrong time.  Alas, God works in mysterious ways, eh ya heartless ones?

As Stephen Colbert says, "reality has a liberal bias."

Despite all logic, you believe what you believe.  Continuing to be pre-destined, fate-controlled pawns of much greater forces...

Wow... so in the spirit of the old "JOEL OSTEEN" thread, here is my ranting answer for your Iraq haters........


100,000?  100,000?  surely you are joking!  where do you get your numbers, dailykos? democratic underground?  some other radical site?  do you think about anything rationally or just parrot your extreme liberal freinds?

one question... while america is attempting to yknow, fight back against fundamentalist islam, and how america is being painted as 'the villain', EVERY SINGLE PLACE where the 'old style islam' encounters someone who is DIFFERENT -- death occurs.


google "thailand shadow war, or thailand muslim guerilla....   about 500 christian schoolkids have been beheaded the past few years.  where is that news report?

how about the SUDAN?  4 MILLION BLACK CHRISTIANS dead.  because the rich "fundamentalist muslim" government in the north is fundamentalist muslim... but the black christians in the south, are, well, BLACK and CHRISTIAN.   what a reason to die!   where is your fake outrage about that?

and we're not even talking about Darfur yet.

how about Chechnya?  yknow, the "fundamentalist muslim" part of S. Russia?  remember, how they bombed a movie theather (500? dead), burned down a school (800!! dead, most of those 800 were kids and babies).  heck, now you can't call me 'racist' because these Chechens (fundie muslims bordering someone different you know) are white!

why not google Nigeria?  again, the north is muslim and the south is black african...  guess which side routinely slaughters the other?  guess which side rioted and killed 200 or so because the "Miss World" pageant was  coming to Nigeria?   yep.... Fundie Muslim militias

I don't even need to BEGIN to tell you about Somalia... and how every al qaeda hating human on this earth should be sending fruit baskets to Ethiopa for INVADING somalia earlier this year and kicking some Al Qaeda A#$.   Where's the full coverage on that?

No, no news about Ethiopa DEFEATING muslim terrorists... instead, we watch news about "ISRAEL INVADING LEBANON".  Remember that?  Back last June?  Know why Israel did it?  because one of their soldiers was KIDNAPPED by -- you guessed it! -- fundie muslim terorists (hezbollah).  so while wolf blitzer and CNN are crying for hezbollah, the israeli soldier STILL (march 2007) is being held as a prisoner.

Not to mention the DOZENS killed (including a somali nun whose last words to her beheaders were "I FORGIVE YOU") due to the "CARTOON CONTROVERSY" where Fundie Muslims killed non-Muslims because some Danish cartoonists said Islam is violent.... let me repeat Muslims killed people because they were upset at claims that Muslims are violent


....See, when you get to pulling your head out of the sand, probably when Bush leaves office, when you finally begin to realize that, yknow, bush maybe uninspiring, and Bush may not be the best leader, and he may be a terrible speaker, but he's onto something:  he's the only western leader that realizes the awful truth of fundie islam:  it has to be stopped.  Look at a map.  Draw a circle around "muslim lands".  Whever that line is, there is conflict.     Scary isn't it?



And it wouldnt be a problem over here, except, yknow, we are dying from it:
Our 250 marines (lebanon 1983, again in 1985)
our college kids from syracuse (pan am flight 1988)
our own citizens (twa flight 800)
our attorneys and stockbrokers (world trade center 1993)
our corporate friends again (WTC 2001)
our military minds (pentagon 2001)
our 2 dozen marines (uss cole, december 2000)
olympic atheletes (munich 1972)
our reporters (daniel pearl)
our servicemen abroad (sauditowers)
our contractors (nick berg et al)
our cia agents (attack on CIA, 1993)
our diplomats (attack on US embassy in kenya)
our dipomats, again (attack on us embassy in tanzania)
our servicemen abroard, again, again, again (USO clubs in italy, turkey)
our citizens (wheelchair bound americans thrown overboard because they were 'jew', 1985)

Yeah, i think you can criticize budgets and health insurance and walter reed medical facility and ethics and leaking and hurrican katrina, but for gosh sakes please take your freaking head out of the sand and realize that the west (yknow, where -- unlike saudi or iran -- women CAN drive and gay people aren't HUNG FROM POLES beacuse they're gay? remember that thing we have called freedom?)   when you finally realize the west is getting slaughtered by fundamental islam, you will be cursing presdient obama/hillary for their "dialogues with al qaeda for understanding" and be praying for a new george bush to come in and kick some @#%.

[Publius]

One lied about oral sex.  The other lied about war, bringing on the deaths of over a 100,000 heathens (and Christians alike).   But of course, they don't count for some reason in the hearts of many "Christians."   Poor saps--imagine all the Christians you could have made out of them.  Too bad they were born in the wrong part of the world at the wrong time.  Alas, God works in mysterious ways, eh ya heartless ones?

As Stephen Colbert says, "reality has a liberal bias."

Despite all logic, you believe what you believe.  Continuing to be pre-destined, fate-controlled pawns of much greater forces...

Wow... so in the spirit of the old "JOEL OSTEEN" thread, here is my ranting answer for your Iraq haters........


100,000?  100,000?  surely you are joking!  where do you get your numbers, dailykos? democratic underground?  some other radical site?  do you think about anything rationally or just parrot your extreme liberal freinds?

one question... while america is attempting to yknow, fight back against fundamentalist islam, and how america is being painted as 'the villain', EVERY SINGLE PLACE where the 'old style islam' encounters someone who is DIFFERENT -- death occurs.


google "thailand shadow war, or thailand muslim guerilla....   about 500 christian schoolkids have been beheaded the past few years.  where is that news report?

how about the SUDAN?  4 MILLION BLACK CHRISTIANS dead.  because the rich "fundamentalist muslim" government in the north is fundamentalist muslim... but the black christians in the south, are, well, BLACK and CHRISTIAN.   what a reason to die!   where is your fake outrage about that?

and we're not even talking about Darfur yet.

how about Chechnya?  yknow, the "fundamentalist muslim" part of S. Russia?  remember, how they bombed a movie theather (500? dead), burned down a school (800!! dead, most of those 800 were kids and babies).  heck, now you can't call me 'racist' because these Chechens (fundie muslims bordering someone different you know) are white!

why not google Nigeria?  again, the north is muslim and the south is black african...  guess which side routinely slaughters the other?  guess which side rioted and killed 200 or so because the "Miss World" pageant was  coming to Nigeria?   yep.... Fundie Muslim militias

I don't even need to BEGIN to tell you about Somalia... and how every al qaeda hating human on this earth should be sending fruit baskets to Ethiopa for INVADING somalia earlier this year and kicking some Al Qaeda A#$.   Where's the full coverage on that?

No, no news about Ethiopa DEFEATING muslim terrorists... instead, we watch news about "ISRAEL INVADING LEBANON".  Remember that?  Back last June?  Know why Israel did it?  because one of their soldiers was KIDNAPPED by -- you guessed it! -- fundie muslim terorists (hezbollah).  so while wolf blitzer and CNN are crying for hezbollah, the israeli soldier STILL (march 2007) is being held as a prisoner.

Not to mention the DOZENS killed (including a somali nun whose last words to her beheaders were "I FORGIVE YOU") due to the "CARTOON CONTROVERSY" where Fundie Muslims killed non-Muslims because some Danish cartoonists said Islam is violent.... let me repeat Muslims killed people because they were upset at claims that Muslims are violent


....See, when you get to pulling your head out of the sand, probably when Bush leaves office, when you finally begin to realize that, yknow, bush maybe uninspiring, and Bush may not be the best leader, and he may be a terrible speaker, but he's onto something:  he's the only western leader that realizes the awful truth of fundie islam:  it has to be stopped.  Look at a map.  Draw a circle around "muslim lands".  Whever that line is, there is conflict.     Scary isn't it?



And it wouldnt be a problem over here, except, yknow, we are dying from it:
Our 250 marines (lebanon 1983, again in 1985)
our college kids from syracuse (pan am flight 1988)
our own citizens (twa flight 800)
our attorneys and stockbrokers (world trade center 1993)
our corporate friends again (WTC 2001)
our military minds (pentagon 2001)
our 2 dozen marines (uss cole, december 2000)
olympic atheletes (munich 1972)
our reporters (daniel pearl)
our servicemen abroad (sauditowers)
our contractors (nick berg et al)
our cia agents (attack on CIA, 1993)
our diplomats (attack on US embassy in kenya)
our dipomats, again (attack on us embassy in tanzania)
our servicemen abroard, again, again, again (USO clubs in italy, turkey)
our citizens (wheelchair bound americans thrown overboard because they were 'jew', 1985)

Yeah, i think you can criticize budgets and health insurance and walter reed medical facility and ethics and leaking and hurrican katrina, but for gosh sakes please take your freaking head out of the sand and realize that the west (yknow, where -- unlike saudi or iran -- women CAN drive and gay people aren't HUNG FROM POLES beacuse they're gay? remember that thing we have called freedom?)   when you finally realize the west is getting slaughtered by fundamental islam, you will be cursing presdient obama/hillary for their "dialogues with al qaeda for understanding" and be praying for a new george bush to come in and kick some @#%.

Good sentiments...Do you really live in SF?  You sound way too pragmatic and grounded in reality to hail from that leftist wonderland,

[hoginsanfran]

Good sentiments...Do you really live in SF?  You sound way too pragmatic and grounded in reality to hail from that leftist wonderland,

Haha not yet... but will be going out there possibly.

[dchogfanindc]

Let's get Bill Clinton involved.  He's a great Arkansas basketball fan...was there rooting for us in the Final Four in 94.  Get Clinton to call BG.  I bet he could get through when Broyles couldn't. 

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

Seriously, could we have an even more lame idea?

I want BG here, and I think he would be successful. But do you realize how small it makes us look to seriously come up with these far-fetched gimmicks?

What's next? Clinton going on the KBTX 10pm live from the College Station Wal-Mart to Call the Hogs while holding some Tyson Chicken Nuggets?

[coolhog]

If we had Clinton as A.D.  he could make 2 phone calls, collect the cash,
and have Phil Jackson as our coach.

[hogs25]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

Too bad he's going right back in the WH.  Broyles is like W, they never have a backup plan.  Who do you think could win heads up between Slick and Dubya?  That's right, Clinton by a landside.  Send this to the political forum.  Don't even get me started on Jr.

[PiggyBack]

...only if BG stands for "Big Girl."

[Soooie21]

I'm for the Iraq war....

[hoginsanfran]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

Too bad he's going right back in the WH.  Broyles is like W, they never have a backup plan.  Who do you think could win heads up between Slick and Dubya?  That's right, Clinton by a landside.  Send this to the political forum.  Don't even get me started on Jr.

UNFORTUNATELY for you,

Clinton 1992 - 43% of the vote  
Clinton 1996 - 49% of the vote  
hmmmmmmmmm.... you mean a majority of america never voted for the man? shocker!

Bush 2000 - 48% of the vote
Bush 2004 - 51% of the vote
hmmm... so Bush's 1st term vote > clinton.   Bush's 2nd term vote> clinton.

Amazing!

Amazing that your (and the media's) hero had nearly 60% of america vote AGAINST him the first go round, and never got even HALF of america on his side!!

LOL @ your mainstream media-infested fantasy

[Soooie21]

No I see the big picture.....not narrow minded like some..

[cfhogs]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

Too bad he's going right back in the WH.  Broyles is like W, they never have a backup plan.  Who do you think could win heads up between Slick and Dubya?  That's right, Clinton by a landside.  Send this to the political forum.  Don't even get me started on Jr.

UNFORTUNATELY for you,

Clinton 1992 - 43% of the vote  
Clinton 1996 - 49% of the vote  
hmmmmmmmmm.... you mean a majority of america never voted for the man? shocker!

Bush 2000 - 48% of the vote
Bush 2004 - 51% of the vote
hmmm... so Bush's 1st term vote > clinton.   Bush's 2nd term vote> clinton.

Amazing!

Amazing that your (and the media's) hero had nearly 60% of america vote AGAINST him the first go round, and never got even HALF of america on his side!!

LOL @ your mainstream media-infested fantasy

so you honestly think bush would beat clinton right now?
i know many republicans that would beg for clinton  over bush right now.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) of Americans approve of the way that George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-nine percent (59%) disapprove.
Clinton remained popular with the public throughout his two terms as President, ending his presidential career with a 65% approval rating, the highest end-of-term approval rating of any President since Eisenhower

[hoginsanfran]

Moses,  I wouldn't want that low-life, lying, treasonous, pro-abortionist, piece
of crap campaigning for hing for us! You need to get this to the political section
where it belongs.

Too bad he's going right back in the WH.  Broyles is like W, they never have a backup plan.  Who do you think could win heads up between Slick and Dubya?  That's right, Clinton by a landside.  Send this to the political forum.  Don't even get me started on Jr.

UNFORTUNATELY for you,

Clinton 1992 - 43% of the vote  
Clinton 1996 - 49% of the vote  
hmmmmmmmmm.... you mean a majority of america never voted for the man? shocker!

Bush 2000 - 48% of the vote
Bush 2004 - 51% of the vote
hmmm... so Bush's 1st term vote > clinton.   Bush's 2nd term vote> clinton.

Amazing!

Amazing that your (and the media's) hero had nearly 60% of america vote AGAINST him the first go round, and never got even HALF of america on his side!!

LOL @ your mainstream media-infested fantasy

so you honestly think bush would beat clinton right now?
i know many republicans that would beg for clinton  over bush right now.

Thirty-nine percent (39%) of Americans approve of the way that George W. Bush is performing his role as President. Fifty-nine percent (59%) disapprove.
Clinton remained popular with the public throughout his two terms as President, ending his presidential career with a 65% approval rating, the highest end-of-term approval rating of any President since Eisenhower

Does war make anyone 'happy'?

People feel happier when there is peace.

Ergo, people consistantly rate APPROVAL higher during peace, or during the end of wars (when peace is coming)

After the "black hawk down" disaster in somalia in 93, clinton vowed we would never ever do anything abroad with our military that would result in anything more than a few weeks or a few deaths....

ergo, we sent troops to Bosnia under Clinton..........  and then sent troops to Kosovo under Clinton.........

so we sent a few troops to Haiti in the 90s.......... and then had to send more troops to Haiti under bush in 05

so clinton dropped a few bombs on 'al qaeda factories' in afghanistan but didnt invade in 98.........    so bush has to go into afghanistan

billyboy bomed the heck out of the iraqi army without using any ground troops because he was afraid of 'death counts' (did you know that?  check out the 'no fly zone' bombings... we've been routinely fighting iraqis from '98 until '03, before the "current" iraq war)........ and now bush took out saddam.   while billyboy waited, another 100K Kurds were gassed.  Good thing we waited then loL!

See, BillyBoy learned early that APPROVAL RATINGS & POLL NUMBERS come with stability, which come with doing.... NOTHING

So BillyBoy looked at the world and basically did a really halfa#@$ job of foreign policy... "let's send 400 troops and 50 'observers' for 2 weeks, then we can leave and feel good about ourselves"

what kind of mission is that?  stay in haiti just long enough to get a photo op, then return home and the butchering begins again?/

how long did we let yugoslovia's milosovic build those "ETHNIC CLEANSING" camps in bosnia... THEN in kosovo?  how many years did we "aw shucks dont invade, just let him be!"

You prefer high poll numbers

I prefer biting the bullet and getting the mission done, so there aren't future problems, and future americans killed.

Look I'm no bush supporter... he's uninspiring to me to the core.   But again, he's the only one that is standing up to fundie islam, while the rest of the world is burning.

Difference in philosophy i guess....

[cfhogs]

I prefer biting the bullet and getting the mission done, so there aren't future problems.

Difference in philosophy i guess....


i agree to an extent but what we started out doing in iraq was state building. that takes a relatively short time to achieve, thus we overthrew saddam and created a 'democracy'. now we are trying to undertake nation building. this takes a much longer time. to do it properly takes at least 20 years. we have to teach the radicals and their kids, and their kid's kids that what we are trying to do is not wrong. i just think we started something before we knew exactly what we were getting into. as for clinton learning that doing nothing equals approval, ol' W needs to learn that trying to do to much leads to accomplishing nothing.

[moses_007]

Let's get Bill Clinton involved.  He's a great Arkansas basketball fan...was there rooting for us in the Final Four in 94.  Get Clinton to call BG.  I bet he could get through when Broyles couldn't. 

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Seriously, could we have an even more lame idea?

I want BG here, and I think he would be successful. But do you realize how small it makes us look to seriously come up with these far-fetched gimmicks?

What's next? Clinton going on the KBTX 10pm live from the College Station Wal-Mart to Call the Hogs while holding some Tyson Chicken Nuggets?

I'm glad someone in Hogville agrees with me.  I didn't mean to turn this into a political debate, but was merely suggesting that a call from Clinton to BCG could help us get him to come to Arkansas.

[theoutsider]

One lied about oral sex.  The other lied about war, bringing on the deaths of over a 100,000 heathens (and Christians alike).   But of course, they don't count for some reason in the hearts of many "Christians."   Poor saps--imagine all the Christians you could have made out of them.  Too bad they were born in the wrong part of the world at the wrong time.  Alas, God works in mysterious ways, eh ya heartless ones?

As Stephen Colbert says, "reality has a liberal bias."

Despite all logic, you believe what you believe.  Continuing to be pre-destined, fate-controlled pawns of much greater forces...

Wow... so in the spirit of the old "JOEL OSTEEN" thread, here is my ranting answer for your Iraq haters........


100,000?  100,000?  surely you are joking!  where do you get your numbers, dailykos? democratic underground?  some other radical site?  do you think about anything rationally or just parrot your extreme liberal freinds?

one question... while america is attempting to yknow, fight back against fundamentalist islam, and how america is being painted as 'the villain', EVERY SINGLE PLACE where the 'old style islam' encounters someone who is DIFFERENT -- death occurs.


google "thailand shadow war, or thailand muslim guerilla....   about 500 christian schoolkids have been beheaded the past few years.  where is that news report?

how about the SUDAN?  4 MILLION BLACK CHRISTIANS dead.  because the rich "fundamentalist muslim" government in the north is fundamentalist muslim... but the black christians in the south, are, well, BLACK and CHRISTIAN.   what a reason to die!   where is your fake outrage about that?

and we're not even talking about Darfur yet.

how about Chechnya?  yknow, the "fundamentalist muslim" part of S. Russia?  remember, how they bombed a movie theather (500? dead), burned down a school (800!! dead, most of those 800 were kids and babies).  heck, now you can't call me 'racist' because these Chechens (fundie muslims bordering someone different you know) are white!

why not google Nigeria?  again, the north is muslim and the south is black african...  guess which side routinely slaughters the other?  guess which side rioted and killed 200 or so because the "Miss World" pageant was  coming to Nigeria?   yep.... Fundie Muslim militias

I don't even need to BEGIN to tell you about Somalia... and how every al qaeda hating human on this earth should be sending fruit baskets to Ethiopa for INVADING somalia earlier this year and kicking some Al Qaeda A#$.   Where's the full coverage on that?

No, no news about Ethiopa DEFEATING muslim terrorists... instead, we watch news about "ISRAEL INVADING LEBANON".  Remember that?  Back last June?  Know why Israel did it?  because one of their soldiers was KIDNAPPED by -- you guessed it! -- fundie muslim terorists (hezbollah).  so while wolf blitzer and CNN are crying for hezbollah, the israeli soldier STILL (march 2007) is being held as a prisoner.

Not to mention the DOZENS killed (including a somali nun whose last words to her beheaders were "I FORGIVE YOU") due to the "CARTOON CONTROVERSY" where Fundie Muslims killed non-Muslims because some Danish cartoonists said Islam is violent.... let me repeat Muslims killed people because they were upset at claims that Muslims are violent


....See, when you get to pulling your head out of the sand, probably when Bush leaves office, when you finally begin to realize that, yknow, bush maybe uninspiring, and Bush may not be the best leader, and he may be a terrible speaker, but he's onto something:  he's the only western leader that realizes the awful truth of fundie islam:  it has to be stopped.  Look at a map.  Draw a circle around "muslim lands".  Whever that line is, there is conflict.     Scary isn't it?



And it wouldnt be a problem over here, except, yknow, we are dying from it:
Our 250 marines (lebanon 1983, again in 1985)
our college kids from syracuse (pan am flight 1988)
our own citizens (twa flight 800)
our attorneys and stockbrokers (world trade center 1993)
our corporate friends again (WTC 2001)
our military minds (pentagon 2001)
our 2 dozen marines (uss cole, december 2000)
olympic atheletes (munich 1972)
our reporters (daniel pearl)
our servicemen abroad (sauditowers)
our contractors (nick berg et al)
our cia agents (attack on CIA, 1993)
our diplomats (attack on US embassy in kenya)
our dipomats, again (attack on us embassy in tanzania)
our servicemen abroard, again, again, again (USO clubs in italy, turkey)
our citizens (wheelchair bound americans thrown overboard because they were 'jew', 1985)

Yeah, i think you can criticize budgets and health insurance and walter reed medical facility and ethics and leaking and hurrican katrina, but for gosh sakes please take your freaking head out of the sand and realize that the west (yknow, where -- unlike saudi or iran -- women CAN drive and gay people aren't HUNG FROM POLES beacuse they're gay? remember that thing we have called freedom?)   when you finally realize the west is getting slaughtered by fundamental islam, you will be cursing presdient obama/hillary for their "dialogues with al qaeda for understanding" and be praying for a new george bush to come in and kick some @#%.

You think because I didn't mention Sudan, I don't care about them?  I was talking about the most relevant topic in my mind, and I only mentioned it at a passing glance (the Iraq War).

I'm certain I've done far more for the Sudan/Darfur situation than you have. 

The problem is that they don't have oil--we all know that.  We're building oil pipelines in Iraq, and Bush/Cheney's corporatocracy is profitting handsomely.  Christianity is nothing but a tool for them to control the sheep into believing the Iraq War is just. 

No, I haven't seen that 500 Thai Christians were killed---neither have I seen that over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed.  That was from a study by Johns Hopkins University (up there with the Ivies in prestige). 

Honestly, I don't give a damn if they're Muslim or Christian.  If people are dying needlessly, then it's wrong.  Andagain, I'm sure we agree here: Fundamentalist Islam is worse than Fundamentalist Christianity.

Honestly, why do you think we're not doing anything about Sudan (I'm not quite sure why you separated Darfur, maybe you can me enlighten me)?  For people like those in this administration, Christianity is a means to an ends--that ends is profit.  I'm not saying it wasn't the same for Clinton; I'm not a Democrat either (but I would say undoubtedly Bush was a much bigger crony). 

Why do you think a former evangelical Christian working for Bush's Faith-based initiative quit, writing a book about how Bush uses Christianity as a tool http://www.amazon.com/Tempting-Faith-Inside-Political-Seduction/dp/0743287126 ?

The way you frame arguments is very simplistic.  For some odd reason, you think that I'm for fundamentalist Islam... This issue has so many layers, it's difficult for me to bother answering for fear that you'll misinterpret it. 

First of all, do you really think that going to war with a fundamentalist Islamic country on false pretenses would decrease tension?  I'm all for squashing the problem in Sudan--a country that is actually fundamentalist.  Under Saddam, Iraq was actually relatively secular (don't misconstrue my statements as saying that I support Saddam or any of that BS).  Only NOW is it becoming fundamentalist since the Shiites are starting to gain a bigger foothold.   

Finally, I'm not sure whether I should even begin posting this or not, since I know it will blow your simplistic mindset.  But I'll do it anyway, and leave it at that.

First of all, the situation in Israel/Palestine is actually much more complicated.  I recommend this video for a primer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565&q=israel+palestine 

Believe it or not, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has a huge amount of influence over media coverage in the United States.  No, this isn't some conspiracy that "Jews control the world" or something ridiculous like that.  It just means that they are extremely powerful lobbyists.  The AIPAC has been recently written about in scholarly journal by Harvard professors talking about this influence, and immediately those professors were labeled as "anti-semetic."  You can read about the fallout experienced by Harvard and those professors here: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060515/weiss   

That said, the Palestinian citizens are being above and beyond killed innocently more than Jews.  No, I'm not racist, either.  I go to a fairly prestigious school that is 27% Jewish and I have Jewish friends (it's inevitable).  The Palestinians fight back the only way they can--often that means using less "gentlemanly" forms of warfare, like suicide bombings.  In the video I linked for you, Noam Chomsky (a Jewish Professor at MIT--one of the best universities in the world, up there with harvard in overall prestige) is the main proponent of fairness for Palestinians.

That said, do you think I'm sort of deranged supporter of Islam?  Hell no.  I'm not a deranged supporter of any religion.   Moderate Christianity and Judaism are much more tolerant and progressive religions, and indeed, they have often played positive roles in human development (although, the same could be argued for moderate islam).   

And this here may be the biggest whammy: do you believe every news report you hear?  It's a well known fact, for those academia at least, that the CIA has played often vile roles in the course of history.  Let me give you a simple textbook example:  Dr.  Mossadeq was democratically elected president of Iran in the 50s.  He was a westernized, fairly secular Muslim.  There was one problem: he wanted to nationalize oil in Iran, so that the profits would stop flowing to foreign corporations and that Iran could gain from their own oil.  The CIA didn't like this so much, and he was ousted.  Literally dozens of these examples scatter history; I just remember this one from high school (I went to a good high school). 

You can read about more CIA operations here.  http://www.amazon.com/CIAs-Greatest-Hits-Real-Story/dp/1878825305/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-6217961-6052624?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175048101&sr=1-1

Do not make yourself one of the pawns.  You're right in some of your assessment, but other parts of your assessments are based  on disinformation.

That said, I'm done.  I don't disagree with you on your assessment of the situation in Sudan or wherever, but I feel there's a bigger picture that the majority of people miss.  I hope I didn't throw you into too deep of water to begin with.