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Title: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: WizardofhOgZ on August 09, 2017, 02:49:47 pm

. . . from the Dallas Morning News . . .

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/tcuhornedfrogs/2017/08/08/3-games-every-tcu-fan-circle-calendar-full-2017-season-predictions
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: MJ2 on August 09, 2017, 02:58:14 pm
They will definitely be ready.   As of today, I expect a close loss to them.  Something like 20-17.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: VirginiaHog on August 09, 2017, 02:59:54 pm
Lol. They have losing at KState, but winning at Arkansas?
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on August 09, 2017, 03:00:57 pm
I'm sure TCU is looking forward to having another shot at Arkansas. Figured they would.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: twistitup on August 09, 2017, 03:07:12 pm
I'm sure TCU is looking forward to having another shot at Arkansas. Figured they would.

This will be good...I think we will get their best effort and it will be a very close game
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: tusked on August 09, 2017, 03:20:22 pm
If the Hog play their game they should win.  I don't see a TCU win unless the Hogs pull a MO/VT
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: RyeHogFan on August 09, 2017, 03:29:23 pm
If our Hogs are gonna win, our defense and special teams better find an answer for Kevontae Turpin. Kid had a heck of a game last year
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Next1_04 on August 09, 2017, 03:31:17 pm
 Since we are on the subject. Who will be sitting with their fans other than me and my 6 year old son for his first HOG Game!?? ;D
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: daBoar on August 09, 2017, 03:43:41 pm
Big game for the Hogs, too.  I bet the Hogs are ready.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on August 09, 2017, 03:48:01 pm
Think about this. TCU blew a fourth quarter lead to ..... ARKANSAS. Of course they have it circled.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: bennyl08 on August 09, 2017, 04:00:13 pm
If our Hogs are gonna win, our defense and special teams better find an answer for Kevontae Turpin. Kid had a heck of a game last year

We didn't have a great answer and won last year, at their place.

If TCU wants to win, they better find an answer for Austin Allen.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Deep Shoat on August 09, 2017, 04:15:03 pm
I don't give a crap if they've got it isosceles triangled with stars and hearts, they are going back to Fart Wuff with a big ol' "L" on their record.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Razorbackers on August 09, 2017, 04:19:21 pm
Lol. They have losing at KState, but winning at Arkansas?

KState has a pretty good shot at winning the conference. Return like, 10 starters off a salty defense and have some talent on offense.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: IMABIELEMA on August 09, 2017, 04:27:29 pm
Lol. They have losing at KState, but winning at Arkansas?

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Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: GuvHog on August 09, 2017, 04:34:47 pm
If our Hogs are gonna win, our defense and special teams better find an answer for Kevontae Turpin. Kid had a heck of a game last year

A lot of that was because the Hog front 7 couldn't get in TCU's backfield so Hill had all day to throw. I have a feeling they'll get to Hill this year.

Special teams will have to play better too.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: GuvHog on August 09, 2017, 04:38:13 pm
Think about this. TCU blew a fourth quarter lead to ..... ARKANSAS. Of course they have it circled.

The Arkansas players still remember those throat slashes by Hill too so I'm sure they have that game circled as well.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Seebs on August 09, 2017, 04:39:14 pm
If they score less than 40 we will win. We will see.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Elvis P Hogg on August 09, 2017, 04:53:11 pm
And I'm sure we have it circled as well it is a marquee game
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: tusked on August 09, 2017, 05:04:30 pm

One nice sidebar to this is the article is in the DMN.  Nice coverage in the metroplex, need as much as the Hogs can get.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: 247Hog on August 09, 2017, 05:06:43 pm
A lot of that was because the Hog front 7 couldn't get in TCU's backfield so Hill had all day to throw. I have a feeling they'll get to Hill this year.

Special teams will have to play better too.

Looking at the picture, we was being held. Maybe a big reason Hill had all day to throw.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: RazrRila99 on August 09, 2017, 05:10:06 pm
I just hope we can cover the middle of the field when the QB thinks there's a highway to the end zone.  That burnt us in the TCU game along with several.  There were a few times my 8.3 40 time would have been able to get 10 yards. 

Can't help but think that the 3-4 will help keep the middle of the field from being so wide open. 
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: RyeHogFan on August 09, 2017, 05:28:18 pm
We didn't have a great answer and won last year, at their place.

If TCU wants to win, they better find an answer for Austin Allen.

Truthfully, Turpin kept them in that game. Without his long receptions over our LBs and his ridiculous returns, we probably win by 2 TDs. In the end, it ended up being too close for comfort. I'd rather corral him in, as well as the QB runs, and send them back to Tejas with a good ol fashioned butt-whoopin rather than giving them a chance to steal a win like they almost did last year.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: bennyl08 on August 09, 2017, 05:35:43 pm
Truthfully, Turpin kept them in that game. Without his long receptions over our LBs and his ridiculous returns, we probably win by 2 TDs. In the end, it ended up being too close for comfort. I'd rather corral him in, as well as the QB runs, and send them back to Tejas with a good ol fashioned butt-whoopin rather than giving them a chance to steal a win like they almost did last year.

I would rather that as well. My comment was only on the necessity of containing Turpin for our victory.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: RyeHogFan on August 09, 2017, 06:16:32 pm
I would rather that as well. My comment was only on the necessity of containing Turpin for our victory.

It is a necessity. If we try to get into a shootout with them, our chances of winning greatly decrease, since we will be trying to do so with a whole group of inexperienced receivers aside from J-Corn. We very nearly lost that game in large part due to the plays by Turpin. Multiple times in the 2nd half TCU went over the middle to him and then you have his kick return after we tied it late in the 4th that set them up for a potential game-winning FG.

If we let Turpin get loose again like he did in the fourth quarter last year, we could find ourselves on the wrong side of the scoreboard this year.

Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: tampahog on August 09, 2017, 06:30:08 pm
if we'd punched it in when we were up 20-7 and had first and goal at the 3, we win going away.  Instead, we botch our field goal and give them new life.  Definitely agree we have to tackle Turpin though the game against us was really the only big game he had all of last year (over 300 all purpose yards alone).  He didn't do anything against anyone else so hopefully our improved quickness on D and better discipline on special teams neutralizes him
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: bennyl08 on August 09, 2017, 07:10:48 pm
It is a necessity. If we try to get into a shootout with them, our chances of winning greatly decrease, since we will be trying to do so with a whole group of inexperienced receivers aside from J-Corn. We very nearly lost that game in large part due to the plays by Turpin. Multiple times in the 2nd half TCU went over the middle to him and then you have his kick return after we tied it late in the 4th that set them up for a potential game-winning FG.

If we let Turpin get loose again like he did in the fourth quarter last year, we could find ourselves on the wrong side of the scoreboard this year.

The problem with your assertion is that it is an absolute. Meaning, that I only need a single counterexample to prove it wrong. Doesn't matter if you are correct 9,999 times out of 10,000. When you make the statement absolute, it only needs to happen once to no longer be true at all.

My counter example is last year. We didn't contain him last year, and won at their place. Turpin went for 295 total yards against us. They needed us to miss a fg after having a first and goal at the 2 not to mention being held to a fg after having first and goal just to get the game into overtime. We similarly had a lucky break at the end too, but I'm going off the assumption that the success of Turbin determines the outcome of the game and thus that they had some nice breaks on their end and had a great game from Turbin and still lost makes the assumption that the outcome of the game being determined by Turbin's success seem like a false assumption to me.

A similar example would be Rutgers needing to contain Cobi Hamilton. Guy had over 300 yards receiving that game and we still lost. Turpin could do that to our defense and it is no guarantee of a victory. Final score of that game was 35 to 26 which isn't even really a shoot out.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: DLUXHOG on August 09, 2017, 07:22:13 pm
44-23-2 = Hogs historical win record against TCU....  not sure that TCU has ever beaten the Hogs in Fayetteville.   Hogs had a 22 consecutive season winning record over TCU from 1959 - 1980.      Ain't skeered no matter what the Dallas Morning "snooze" has to say....
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: theFlyingHog on August 09, 2017, 07:46:05 pm

Here goes Benny, everybody run for cover  :P
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 09, 2017, 07:47:57 pm
I don't give a crap if they've got it isosceles triangled with stars and hearts, they are going back to Fart Wuff with a big ol' "L" on their record.

Circling games is the biggest over-hyped thing in sports. The more talented team usually wins.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 09, 2017, 07:49:38 pm
Can't help but think that the 3-4 will help keep the middle of the field from being so wide open.

Unless we have to blitz to get pressure.

Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: theFlyingHog on August 09, 2017, 07:51:13 pm
Unless we have to blitz to get pressure.
I'm no defensive guru but I think part of the 3-4 is having 4 backers and you usually bring pressure with them. It's kind of understood that 3 down linemen won't get a rush the same as 4 would
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: EulessHog on August 09, 2017, 07:52:19 pm
TCU will be an excellent test for out D.   If the defense does well, we will win by at least 14.

I think our offense will move thew ball against them.  We have the advantage at quarterback.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 09, 2017, 07:54:28 pm
I'm no defensive guru but I think part of the 3-4 is having 4 backers and you usually bring pressure with them. It's kind of understood that 3 down linemen won't get a rush the same as 4 would

When you blitz you leave open a part of the field. Every system/scheme has weaknesses. Itís just a matter of the offense being able to execute.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: tophawg19 on August 09, 2017, 08:06:43 pm
I'm no defensive guru but I think part of the 3-4 is having 4 backers and you usually bring pressure with them. It's kind of understood that 3 down linemen won't get a rush the same as 4 would
you just blitz from different positions so the offense is guessing
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on August 09, 2017, 08:31:56 pm
if we'd punched it in when we were up 20-7 and had first and goal at the 3, we win going away.  Instead, we botch our field goal and give them new life.  Definitely agree we have to tackle Turpin though the game against us was really the only big game he had all of last year (over 300 all purpose yards alone).  He didn't do anything against anyone else so hopefully our improved quickness on D and better discipline on special teams neutralizes him

That wasn't the only time that happened. By the second half of the season, you could here me say, "Oh no, we have a first and goal at the 2. We are doomed."
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: RyeHogFan on August 09, 2017, 08:37:36 pm
That wasn't the only time that happened. By the second half of the season, you could here me say, "Oh no, we have a first and goal at the 2. We are doomed."

Kind of makes sense why Drew Morgan stretched out the ball trying to score against VT when he fumbled instead of going down inside the 5. 😂
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on August 09, 2017, 08:42:17 pm
We should be very afraid of the big bad horned froggies..LMAO we should hammer their asses. Paterson gave us zero credit after that game. I don't remember a coach showing less respect for a team after a loss.

Baha bohoo who cares.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: DeltaBoy on August 09, 2017, 08:48:59 pm
The Frogs hang for a half and the Hogs grind out a win by 17.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: RyeHogFan on August 09, 2017, 08:53:48 pm
We should be very afraid of the big bad horned froggies..LMAO we should hammer their asses. Paterson gave us zero credit after that game. I don't remember a coach showing less respect for a team after a loss.

Baha bohoo who cares.

I would laugh so hard at that short-sleeve turtleneck wearing, feathered hair coming out his visor, goober if we just beat the spit outta them. If our defense has truly improved, I think that will be the case.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Poker_hog on August 09, 2017, 08:56:14 pm
We better be ready to play or it will be a repeat of TT from a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 09, 2017, 09:09:35 pm
you just blitz from different positions so the offense is guessing

Assuming the blitz doesnít get picked up, yeah.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Hoggish1 on August 09, 2017, 09:12:49 pm
They will definitely be ready.   As of today, I expect a close loss to them.  Something like 20-17.

We gonna wup them frogs
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Hoggish1 on August 09, 2017, 09:15:16 pm
I don't give a crap if they've got it isosceles triangled with stars and hearts, they are going back to Fart Wuff with a big ol' "L" on their record.
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Yup!
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: ThisTeetsTaken on August 09, 2017, 09:57:11 pm
Beating an SEC team even a middle of the pack team like us would be the highlight of their upcoming season and they know it.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: nchogg on August 10, 2017, 08:19:45 am
I don't see them beating us. Mistakes hurt us last year and our Hogs will be very focused this year. They don't know what to expect from our defense. They won't see much in our FL A&M game. I have faith Coach Rhoads will make needed adjustments at halftime like we have not seen in the last 2 years. Not worried about our offense Coach Enos will have a handle on that. Agim has blood in his eyes and is ready to take out a QB. Remember our defense is on a mission.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: GuvHog on August 10, 2017, 08:34:58 am
Assuming the blitz doesnít get picked up, yeah.

In the 3-4 defense, the blitzes are disguised so that the offense doesn't know which direction the blitz is coming from. It's difficult for the QB to read. It will force Hill to use his noggin as well as his arm and legs.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: nwahogfan1 on August 10, 2017, 08:36:27 am
TT took revenge on us at our place. Humbled us. Surely we will not allow this again. If we want to be a consistent top 20 team again we have to protect our house in these 50\50 games. 
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: theFlyingHog on August 10, 2017, 08:37:48 am
TT took revenge on us at our place. Humbled us. Surely we will not allow this again. If we want to be a consistent top 20 team again we have to protect our house in these 50\50 games.
Why does everyone keep referring to TT? Hill ain't no Mahomes
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: SDZ_Hog on August 10, 2017, 08:39:47 am
We better be ready to play or it will be a repeat of TT from a couple of years ago.
I had that game as a W.  I thought we would run all over they's arses. 
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: nwahogfan1 on August 10, 2017, 08:51:01 am
Why does everyone keep referring to TT? Hill ain't no Mahomes

I am not trying to compare rosters but comparing situations.   TCU wants revenge.  We stole a game down there and they want to steal a game up at our place.

If we want to move up in the eyes of the national media is time we win these games is what I am saying.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: nwahogfan1 on August 10, 2017, 08:53:35 am
I don't see them beating us. Mistakes hurt us last year and our Hogs will be very focused this year. They don't know what to expect from our defense. They won't see much in our FL A&M game. I have faith Coach Rhoads will make needed adjustments at halftime like we have not seen in the last 2 years. Not worried about our offense Coach Enos will have a handle on that. Agim has blood in his eyes and is ready to take out a QB. Remember our defense is on a mission.

I like what your saying and being a Hog Fan I want to believe it but we must show it on the field.  TCU wants this game as bad as us.   We must come out and PROVE we belong to be up with the Big Boys.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 10, 2017, 09:32:03 am
In the 3-4 defense, the blitzes are disguised so that the offense doesn't know which direction the blitz is coming from. It's difficult for the QB to read. It will force Hill to use his noggin as well as his arm and legs.

Iím aware of the design and expected results. Doesnít mean it always works. The 3-4 isnít magic. Teams get torched running a 3-4 just like they do running a 4-3.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Possible Oatmeal on August 10, 2017, 10:24:03 am
We didn't steal a game down there.  We cleaned our shirt off after barfing all over ourselves and then finished dinner.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: GuvHog on August 10, 2017, 10:28:10 am
I’m aware of the design and expected results. Doesn’t mean it always works. The 3-4 isn’t magic. Teams get torched running a 3-4 just like they do running a 4-3.

Agreed, that can and does happen if the offense happens to guess right.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: hawg66 on August 10, 2017, 10:30:12 am


Well to be fair the article was about fans circling the game as a barometer of TCU's season.

 I agree with the point someone made that Hill isn't in the league of TTech's qb.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: KlubhouseKonnected on August 10, 2017, 10:38:45 am
TT took revenge on us at our place. Humbled us. Surely we will not allow this again. If we want to be a consistent top 20 team again we have to protect our house in these 50\50 games. 

It was humbling
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Michael_E_Davis on August 10, 2017, 10:45:30 am
I expect us to have a good season -  but we will lose this game.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: bphi11ips on August 10, 2017, 11:25:31 am
I agree with the point someone made that Hill isn't in the league of TTech's qb.

Maybe not, but Hill has played twice against Arkansas.  Once for A&M and once for TCU.  Both games went to overtime.  He threw for 386 yards with 4 TDs and 1 INT and ran for 30 yards in A&M's 35-28 victory.  Last year he was 36-56 for 377 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT in TCU's 41-38 loss.  He was TCU's leading rusher with 93 yards and 2 rushing TDs.

Hill's problem since he torched #9 South Carolina for an A&M record 511 yards passing in the first game of 2014 has been inconsistency.  Word out of TCU was that he didn't have a good Spring.  But he is a dangerous QB with a dangerous supporting cast.  Fortunately, we have the same, and probably the best pure passer between the two playing before a home crowd.

I expect us to have a good season -  but we will lose this game.

Honestly, if you look at last year's box score, it's hard to argue with this, even being at home:

http://www.secsports.com/boxscore/football/400868981 (http://www.secsports.com/boxscore/football/400868981)

Looking at who Arkansas lost and who TCU returns, it's easy to see why TCU is an early 6 point favorite.  Further, TCU outgained Arkansas 572-403 and had 25 first downs to Arkansas's 20.  The difference in the game was that TCU had two turnovers to Arkansas's none, and Austin Allen put the Hogs on his back down the stretch. 

You have to think that Hill and his offense are going to score a lot of points.  However, Arkansas has a few extra days to prepare for TCU, and TCU won't have a lot of film on Arkansas's new players on either side of the ball or on their new defensive scheme.  Hopefully we can create a little havoc on defense. 

In the end, I think Arkansas will score a lot of points as well, and Austin Allen and the home crowd will be the difference in a classic.   
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: code red on August 10, 2017, 02:46:25 pm
If I am not mistaken they got almost everyone back from a young defense.  I expect a struggle.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on August 10, 2017, 02:56:40 pm
Why does everyone keep referring to TT? Hill ain't no Mahomes
a bunch of arkansas fans still don't have a clue what we were facing with mahomes across the line from the hogs. dude is better than any QB in the SEC.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: menace_hawg3 on August 10, 2017, 06:07:26 pm
If I am not mistaken they got almost everyone back from a young defense.  I expect a struggle.

We had a mostly Senior defense last year and it didn't matter. Why does everyone think that every team  on our schedule improves except for us?  I'm not accusing you of that. I just didn't feel like writing another post.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 10, 2017, 08:12:29 pm
We had a mostly Senior defense last year and it didn't matter. Why does everyone think that every team  on our schedule improves except for us?  I'm not accusing you of that. I just didn't feel like writing another post.

I disagree.  There are posters here that think the only team getting better is ours. They think everyone else will be the same or worse. They think we are the only team working hard in the spring, summer and fall camp. Like somehow our guys want it more, have games circled, have a renewed spirit and will not be denied (sans the bama game). Others will say CBBís back against the wall and he will somehow coach harder this season than previous seasons.

Iím ready for the season to start. Then we can compare all the talk. Who should have been guaranteed wins? Which were truly tossups? How much further does the program have to go the be relevant? What excuses will be used if the team produces a mediocre season? How many will still think CBB can take the program to the next level?

Soon...
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: supersaint on August 10, 2017, 08:23:53 pm
I once circled Kathy Ireland's rear end in a magazine.  Didn't help me get it.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: theFlyingHog on August 10, 2017, 08:27:58 pm
I once circled Kathy Ireland's rear end in a magazine.  Didn't help me get it.
You ain't dead, she ain't dead. Don't give up.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 10, 2017, 08:31:51 pm
I once circled Kathy Ireland's rear end in a magazine.  Didn't help me get it.
But did you DEMAND that you got it? Apparently that matters.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: supersaint on August 10, 2017, 08:37:36 pm
You ain't dead, she ain't dead. Don't give up.

You're right. I'm 355 lbs now, but have a great personality and an Arkansas letter jacket.  I bet she'd date me.  I'm gonna go for it.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: supersaint on August 10, 2017, 08:38:08 pm
But did you DEMAND that you got it? Apparently that matters.

Didn't gray that, but I'm about to.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 10, 2017, 08:43:00 pm
We played like garbage at their place and still somehow won.

This year it's at our place with nine days to prepare.

Should be a win.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Deep Shoat on August 10, 2017, 09:45:48 pm
I disagree.  There are posters here that think the only team getting better is ours. They think everyone else will be the same or worse. They think we are the only team working hard in the spring, summer and fall camp. Like somehow our guys want it more, have games circled, have a renewed spirit and will not be denied (sans the bama game). Others will say CBBís back against the wall and he will somehow coach harder this season than previous seasons.

Iím ready for the season to start. Then we can compare all the talk. Who should have been guaranteed wins? Which were truly tossups? How much further does the program have to go the be relevant? What excuses will be used if the team produces a mediocre season? How many will still think CBB can take the program to the next level?

Soon...
No one on this board has been a bigger supporter of CBB than I have. 

If we don't win at least 8 (barring injury to AA or a slew of injuries to important players) I will have officially lost my believe that he can get it done.

That said, I still won't become a jackass constantly putting him down and screaming for him to be fired.  In fact, he'll get one more season to win me back.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: bennyl08 on August 10, 2017, 09:58:33 pm
No one on this board has been a bigger supporter of CBB than I have. 

If we don't win at least 8 (barring injury to AA or a slew of injuries to important players) I will have officially lost my believe that he can get it done.

That said, I still won't become a jackass constantly putting him down and screaming for him to be fired.  In fact, he'll get one more season to win me back.

That's about where I am as well. I've seen improvements made each season so far. We aren't where I want to be yet, but we are still moving in the right direction, slowly. I expect the team to continue to improve as it has done each and every season so far until we reach our limit under the current coaching staff. If that limit is winning 8-10 games each year with 6-7 being a rebuilding year and some 10+ seasons scattered relatively commonly throughout there, then we are good. If 6-8 wins is that limit, then I appreciate the stability after the motorcycle incident and believe we have a solid foundation in place, but it will then be time to find somebody who can start building upwards.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 10, 2017, 10:34:33 pm
No one on this board has been a bigger supporter of CBB than I have. 

If we don't win at least 8 (barring injury to AA or a slew of injuries to important players) I will have officially lost my believe that he can get it done.

That said, I still won't become a jackass constantly putting him down and screaming for him to be fired.  In fact, he'll get one more season to win me back.

Agreed. I thinks heís a good fit for the program. Said it many times.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 10, 2017, 10:36:45 pm
I expect the team to continue to improve as it has done each and every season so far until we reach our limit under the current coaching staff.

You saw improvement last season?
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: bennyl08 on August 10, 2017, 10:50:45 pm
You saw improvement last season?

2013: baseline year. True freshmen starting left and right. Inept on both sides of the ball.
2014: New DC, and our offense wasn't great but had some positives. New defense takes a while to emerge, but once it is clicking, it was something to be seen.
2015: We lost our key players on defense but were still one of the top run stopping units. Made changes on offense to improve that side of the ball.
2016: Defense should have been strong again. Perhaps not to 2014 levels, but in no way, shape, or form should have been even worse. Offense facing some major changeover but our development really showed in that we were able to simply reload on offense and not need to rebuild. This season we really should have won 9 games. And not like in past seasons where we couldn't come out on top of some close games like bama of MSU, but genuinely had to try to lose those last to games and we did.

So yeah, I did see improvement. In none of the past seasons were we in the driver's seat to win 9 games. Maybe you can argue that such a thing would have been possible with some extra lucky breaks or if we didn't get unlucky, but in 2016, we didn't need any lucky breaks to get to 9 wins, we had in entirely in our control to do so and that is improvement from the past 3 seasons.

This year, I expect those collapses to go away and the defense to not be a complete embarrassment. However, I don't think the win total will vary too much based on the defense. We were good enough to win 9 games on offense last year that some experience on offense would have allowed. We are experienced on offense now at the key positions so even without improvement on D, I think 9 wins is a reasonable expectation. Even with significant improvement on defense, I don't see a significant change to the wins though. Maybe win 10 in the regular season. However, the key with an improved defense this coming year will be that the wins will be more comfortable. Rather than having to go to the wire where I have complete confidence in Austin to come out on top, if our defense improves, that won't be an issue.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: gchamblee on August 11, 2017, 12:28:48 pm
2013: baseline year. True freshmen starting left and right. Inept on both sides of the ball.
2014: New DC, and our offense wasn't great but had some positives. New defense takes a while to emerge, but once it is clicking, it was something to be seen.
2015: We lost our key players on defense but were still one of the top run stopping units. Made changes on offense to improve that side of the ball.
2016: Defense should have been strong again. Perhaps not to 2014 levels, but in no way, shape, or form should have been even worse. Offense facing some major changeover but our development really showed in that we were able to simply reload on offense and not need to rebuild. This season we really should have won 9 games. And not like in past seasons where we couldn't come out on top of some close games like bama of MSU, but genuinely had to try to lose those last to games and we did.

So yeah, I did see improvement. In none of the past seasons were we in the driver's seat to win 9 games. Maybe you can argue that such a thing would have been possible with some extra lucky breaks or if we didn't get unlucky, but in 2016, we didn't need any lucky breaks to get to 9 wins, we had in entirely in our control to do so and that is improvement from the past 3 seasons.

This year, I expect those collapses to go away and the defense to not be a complete embarrassment. However, I don't think the win total will vary too much based on the defense. We were good enough to win 9 games on offense last year that some experience on offense would have allowed. We are experienced on offense now at the key positions so even without improvement on D, I think 9 wins is a reasonable expectation. Even with significant improvement on defense, I don't see a significant change to the wins though. Maybe win 10 in the regular season. However, the key with an improved defense this coming year will be that the wins will be more comfortable. Rather than having to go to the wire where I have complete confidence in Austin to come out on top, if our defense improves, that won't be an issue.

good post
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: code red on August 11, 2017, 03:08:33 pm
We had a mostly Senior defense last year and it didn't matter. Why does everyone think that every team  on our schedule improves except for us?  I'm not accusing you of that. I just didn't feel like writing another post.
Because a 3 front is not the answer.  We gave up 5.8 yds per carry last year....and were going to a 3 front with SS at LB makes no sense.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Athog on August 11, 2017, 06:46:45 pm
. . . from the Dallas Morning News . . .

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/tcuhornedfrogs/2017/08/08/3-games-every-tcu-fan-circle-calendar-full-2017-season-predictions

Bring them on!! Nobody scared here!
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: HawgQuest on August 11, 2017, 07:29:56 pm
I just don't believe TCU is gonna win. After hogs win in LR, they not gonna want to give up a loss on the second game of the season. In Fayettville.....nah. Go Hogs.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: menace_hawg3 on August 11, 2017, 07:57:51 pm
Because a 3 front is not the answer.  We gave up 5.8 yds per carry last year....and were going to a 3 front with SS at LB makes no sense.

A 4 front wasn't the answer either. 
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: jgphillips3 on August 11, 2017, 08:12:46 pm
I think we've had the Alabama game circled for about 10 years.  I see them circling us having as much effect as us circling Bama the last 10 years.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Hoggiedawg on August 11, 2017, 09:04:00 pm
Because a 3 front is not the answer.  We gave up 5.8 yds per carry last year....and were going to a 3 front with SS at LB makes no sense.


I expect a slight improvement this year on D.  It won't be enough to significantly change our win total.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: nchogg on August 13, 2017, 03:14:39 pm
I don't care what TCU wants they will not win. Comment back after the game. Go Hogs!
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on August 13, 2017, 06:21:55 pm
I don't care what TCU wants they will not win. Comment back after the game. Go Hogs!

Agree our fans crack me up. Our defense and our oline will be a 100% improved if we can't or don't beat TCU at home we need to start thinking about who will replace BB.

I like BB but this game has to be a win..Period end of the sentence. Surprised at how many on this site are afraid of big old TCU.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: hawgdavis on August 13, 2017, 06:51:22 pm
I expect us to have a good season -  but we will lose this game.

Why? Please explain, I think we roll them. We should have stomped the last year. I think from everything I'm readin this year we will have a more focused determined team that should translate into less mistakes and that will spell trouble for the likes of less talented teams like TCU, ATM Sc and others.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: MuskogeeHogFan on August 13, 2017, 07:03:13 pm
I expect us to have a good season -  but we will lose this game.

TCU's biggest losses come at the D-Line, which will help our O-Line and running game (maybe passing game as well). TCU returns more starting experience overall than any other P-5 team but they have to replace a great deal on their D-Line and they have no way of knowing if they can keep Kenny Hill's (their QB) head screwed on straight because he has tended to be a bit of a head case in the past.

I think we beat TCU and I think that this year, we beat A&M as well.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 13, 2017, 07:13:06 pm
Agree our fans crack me up. Our defense and our oline will be a 100% improved if we can't or don't beat TCU at home we need to start thinking about who will replace BB.

I like BB but this game has to be a win..Period end of the sentence. Surprised at how many on this site are afraid of big old TCU.

100% improved? Thatís a bold statement. Dang near unbelieveable.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: DLUXHOG on August 14, 2017, 01:32:09 pm
Agree our fans crack me up. Our defense and our oline will be a 100% improved if we can't or don't beat TCU at home we need to start thinking about who will replace BB.

I like BB but this game has to be a win..Period end of the sentence. Surprised at how many on this site are afraid of big old TCU.
+1000 if I could.   Thank you for your faithfulness in the HOGS!!!
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Bob Slydell on August 14, 2017, 01:33:55 pm
Sounds a lot like the talk from TTU leading up to the return game in Fayetteville 2 years ago.  I hope the outcome isn't the same.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Poppa Tart on August 14, 2017, 01:58:21 pm
It is a necessity. If we try to get into a shootout with them, our chances of winning greatly decrease, since we will be trying to do so with a whole group of inexperienced receivers aside from J-Corn. We very nearly lost that game in large part due to the plays by Turpin. Multiple times in the 2nd half TCU went over the middle to him and then you have his kick return after we tied it late in the 4th that set them up for a potential game-winning FG.

If we let Turpin get loose again like he did in the fourth quarter last year, we could find ourselves on the wrong side of the scoreboard this year.
J-Corn??? Seriously?   :puke:
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on August 14, 2017, 03:08:59 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7f/cd/d0/7fcdd02ecfa9b6a971a7267938ea4e7f.jpg)

If I'm not mistaken, Confucius said this first.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Hoggish1 on August 14, 2017, 03:26:25 pm
They will definitely be ready.   As of today, I expect a close loss to them.  Something like 20-17.

I never expect a loss.  Note to TCU we have this game circled, too.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: slowride on August 14, 2017, 03:49:06 pm
Sounds a lot like the talk from TTU leading up to the return game in Fayetteville 2 years ago.  I hope the outcome isn't the same.

Exactly!  This is what worries me too.  We need to make sure our players know that we don't need to give them any bulletin board material. 
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Steef on August 14, 2017, 03:49:58 pm
I remember Rutgers.

And Toledo.

Not taking ANYTHING for granted.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: DLUXHOG on August 14, 2017, 03:54:30 pm
I remember Rutgers.

And Toledo.

Not taking ANYTHING for granted.

Overall Statistics - Arkansas vs TCU
Total Games Played 68
Arkansas Win-Loss-Tie 43-23-2
Arkansas Win Percentage 0.647
Conf Games Played 66
Arkansas Win-Loss-Tie 43-21-2
Arkansas Win Percentage 0.667

Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: ricepig on August 14, 2017, 03:56:07 pm
Overall Statistics - Arkansas vs TCU
Total Games Played 68
Arkansas Win-Loss-Tie 43-23-2
Arkansas Win Percentage 0.647
Conf Games Played 66
Arkansas Win-Loss-Tie 43-21-2
Arkansas Win Percentage 0.667



Something in that doesn't add up, we beat them last year and it wasn't a conference game, old stats I assume.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: SooiecidetillNuttgone on August 14, 2017, 07:30:20 pm
Overall Statistics - Arkansas vs TCU
Total Games Played 68
Arkansas Win-Loss-Tie 43-23-2
Arkansas Win Percentage 0.647
Conf Games Played 66
Arkansas Win-Loss-Tie 43-21-2
Arkansas Win Percentage 0.667



Stats that go past 1985 are basically worthless.
Most everyone on here will quote the Hogs vs Horns all time record as proof that they've dominated us.
However, since 1985, the series is 6-6.
That's hardly dominating.

We'd better be ready.  This isn't grandpa's Hogs vs Frogs.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Headhog32 on August 14, 2017, 07:45:14 pm
of course they will have this game circled, not only are they seeking revenge but it is a fun non conference matchup that could go either way. I'm sure a big 12 team would love to knock off an sec team but I think the hogs feel otherwise
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: TuskFexas on August 14, 2017, 08:35:39 pm
I don't give a crap if they've got it isosceles triangled with stars and hearts

First true LOL I've had on here in while! Well done sir.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: AlmaHog2011 on August 14, 2017, 09:02:33 pm
100% improved? Thatís a bold statement. Dang near unbelieveable.

Did you watch our defense last year? I mean 100% seems reasonable to me?
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: theFlyingHog on August 14, 2017, 10:13:21 pm
Did you watch our defense last year? I mean 100% seems reasonable to me?
Don't try to reason with him unless you like the squishy sound your head starts making on the concrete wall
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Headhog32 on August 15, 2017, 05:24:21 pm
TCU's biggest losses come at the D-Line, which will help our O-Line and running game (maybe passing game as well). TCU returns more starting experience overall than any other P-5 team but they have to replace a great deal on their D-Line and they have no way of knowing if they can keep Kenny Hill's (their QB) head screwed on straight because he has tended to be a bit of a head case in the past.

I think we beat TCU and I think that this year, we beat A&M as well.
agreed.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Steef on August 15, 2017, 06:03:29 pm
Stats that go past 1985 are basically worthless.
Most everyone on here will quote the Hogs vs Horns all time record as proof that they've dominated us.
However, since 1985, the series is 6-6.
That's hardly dominating.

We'd better be ready.  This isn't grandpa's Hogs vs Frogs.

Agreed.

We won't be playing against stats. We won't even be playing against or with last year's team.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Headhog32 on August 15, 2017, 06:43:14 pm
Iím aware of the design and expected results. Doesnít mean it always works. The 3-4 isnít magic. Teams get torched running a 3-4 just like they do running a 4-3.
yeah but we already got torched running the 4-3  LOL all negative aside I'm really excited about the 3-4 its not magic, but the players seem to be buying into it and by looks of the scrimmages it seems to be a more comftorable look
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Dominicanhog on August 15, 2017, 07:51:32 pm
I don't see a TCU win unless the Hogs pull a MO/VT

?  >:( :-[ :(
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Dominicanhog on August 15, 2017, 07:53:03 pm
It was humbling

and GQ made sure we knew it too..
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Iwastherein1969 on August 15, 2017, 07:58:46 pm
Didn't we lead most of the game last year until they got hot in the 4th quarter ?  The writer of the OP's cited article incorrectly points out, or at least gives the impression that TCU dominated the game last year. We did catch one big break, the blocked kick. Other than that we dominated the vast majority of the game. To hell with the Frawgs.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: oldhawg on August 15, 2017, 08:07:44 pm
Didn't we lead most of the game last year until they got hot in the 4th quarter ?  The writer of the OP's cited article incorrectly points out, or at least gives the impression that TCU dominated the game last year. We did catch one big break, the blocked kick. Other than that we dominated the vast majority of the game. To hell with the Frawgs.

TCU fumbled early in the game, in the red zone I believe.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: bennyl08 on August 15, 2017, 08:21:56 pm
"Lucky" breaks by each team.

Down 3-0, at our 26, Gray breaks off a big run, but we forced a fumble at the 4 and recovered.
Up 3-0, we have 1st and goal at the 9 and are held to a FG.
up 20-7, we have 1st and goal at the 2 and end up being held to a missed FG getting nothing.
Tied 28 all, TCU had 1st and 10 at our 11 with 21 seconds and had their FG blocked.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: CFB_Fanatic on August 15, 2017, 09:17:52 pm
"Lucky" breaks by each team.

Down 3-0, at our 26, Gray breaks off a big run, but we forced a fumble at the 4 and recovered.
Up 3-0, we have 1st and goal at the 9 and are held to a FG.
up 20-7, we have 1st and goal at the 2 and end up being held to a missed FG getting nothing.
Tied 28 all, TCU had 1st and 10 at our 11 with 21 seconds and had their FG blocked.

Don't forget the "Throat Slash" penalty.

Also, Im pretty sure that we caught a lucky break on a TD catch by Porter with under a minute left that was called back for Illegal touching after he stepped out of bounds running his route.

Had he not stepped out they win the game in reguation
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: DLUXHOG on August 15, 2017, 10:52:43 pm
Didn't we lead most of the game last year until they got hot in the 4th quarter ?  The writer of the OP's cited article incorrectly points out, or at least gives the impression that TCU dominated the game last year. We did catch one big break, the blocked kick. Other than that we dominated the vast majority of the game. To hell with the Frawgs.

you are correct, the Hogs led the entire game and were up 20-7 at the end of the 3rd quarter.    TCU did get hot in the 4th quarter or the Hogs simply got cold and lost their focus as TCU tied it up and the Hogs wound up winning 41-38 in second overtime.........   TCU did not dominate that game in any way or fashion...
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Al Boarland on August 16, 2017, 05:30:52 am
you are correct, the Hogs led the entire game and were up 20-7 at the end of the 3rd quarter.    TCU did get hot in the 4th quarter or the Hogs simply got cold and lost their focus as TCU tied it up and the Hogs wound up winning 41-38 in second overtime.........   TCU did not dominate that game in any way or fashion...
TCU dominated the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: DLUXHOG on August 16, 2017, 02:15:31 pm
TCU dominated the 4th quarter.
You're kind of splitting atoms aren't you?
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: hawg66 on August 16, 2017, 03:17:40 pm
Except for that part in the 4th where Arkansas scored in 4 plays and a minute off the clock, then blocked the chip shot fg that would have won the game?  Al you try way too hard to rag on anything good the Hogs accomplish
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Rock City Razorback on August 16, 2017, 03:26:38 pm
I'm 100% positive the entire coaching staff and team has gone over countless hours of film preparing for this game. I'm sure they noticed yet another 4th quarter blown lead, fortunately they pulled this one out. Nonetheless, it's got to be drilled into their heads to close out games this year. Hopefully they can make it reality! I'm still nervous about this game. I think our defense gets better and our offense remains prolific with Enos and Allen + improved line despite loss of major producers, but they return a LOT of players that bodes well for continuity and development. Patterson is no slouch of a coach. As they title alludes, they'll be ready come game time. Home field advantage might be determining factor this year.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Possible Oatmeal on August 16, 2017, 07:59:14 pm
I'll say again, because some people seem to have been misled.  Arkansas was not dominated in that game.  Arkansas didn't steal one in overtime.  Arkansas ate TCU alive, then vomited all over themselves in the 4th quarter.  Then wiped themselves off and finished their meal.  End of story.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: supersaint on August 16, 2017, 09:00:19 pm
I'll say again, because some people seem to have been misled.  Arkansas was not dominated in that game.  Arkansas didn't steal one in overtime.  Arkansas ate TCU alive, then vomited all over themselves in the 4th quarter.  Then wiped themselves off and finished their meal.  End of story.

This is a really great post. Very imaginative. Bravo.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: GoHogs1091 on August 17, 2017, 02:25:27 am
Of course, TCU has our game with them circled.

Patterson probably knows he is going to have a difficult time winning against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, so he needs to win all of the other games on their schedule in order for them to make it to a decent bowl game.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Steef on August 17, 2017, 06:39:53 am
Let me be clear-ER.

It is unwise to take this game for granted.

I'm not saying we will lose...or win.

But this is no gimmee. Cockiness is not warranted.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: ricepig on August 17, 2017, 07:00:42 am
Let me be clear-ER.

It is unwise to take this game for granted.

I'm not saying we will lose...or win.

But this is no gimmee. Cockiness is not warranted.

Lol, you think the players don't know that?? What somebody posts on here will have absolutely zero outcome on the game. Now, if you're trying to get certain posters to be in "touch" with reality, good luck.
Title: Re: TCU has Arkansas game circled . . .
Post by: Head on August 17, 2017, 07:37:57 am
wrong topic.  sorry