Beating LSU was supposed to happen

[Porked Tongue]

Glad it did.

But Arkansas is in a position where it needs to win games it's NOT supposed to win.  Not sure many of those are left or possible.

In the meanwhile, season hangs on beating the lower teams.

[ADavisTheGOAT]

Only way we get in at this point is win 4/5 beating USCe or Florida. Doubt it will happen.

[hog of steele]

We were supposed to beat Missouri. An sec win on the road is good news no matter how you slice it. We have work to do, but rattle off some wins and let's see what happens!

[Youngsta71701]

Glad it did.

But Arkansas is in a position where it needs to win games it's NOT supposed to win.  Not sure many of those are left or possible.

In the meanwhile, season hangs on beating the lower teams.

We were favored to win Missouri and Vanderbilt but you see how that turned out. That's why I say you can take no win for granted. No win is a guarantee. Appreciate every win. Go Hogs!! :razorback:

[Nipsey Mussle]

Glad it did.

But Arkansas is in a position where it needs to win games it's NOT supposed to win.  Not sure many of those are left or possible.

In the meanwhile, season hangs on beating the lower teams.

MA has lost me as a supporter but it's difficult for a coach when we yawn after almost every win and bring on the torches after every loss.

[Pork Twain]

MA has lost me as a supporter but it's difficult for a coach when we yawn after almost every win and bring on the torches after every loss.

Who is to blame for the fans reacting this way after almost six years?

[Youngsta71701]

MA has lost me as a supporter but it's difficult for a coach when we yawn after almost every win and bring on the torches after every loss.

IKR...It's sickening. It's like they think we're supposed to win every game we're favored to win and that isn't always the case for every team not just Arkansas. Arkansas fans have become entitled and that's the main problem I see with our fans. Nothing wrong with wanting us to win but don't expect us to win every game we're supposed to win. Especially against any D1 team at their place.

[Youngsta71701]

Who is to blame for the fans reacting this way after almost six years?

So now Mike is responsible for how the fans act too? I think I've heard it all. I don't know about you but Mike doesn't control anything I do.

[Porked Tongue]

If we are not expected to beat last place teams, how can you expect anything more overall?

[TheEnemy]

IKR...It's sickening. It's like they think we're supposed to win every game we're favored to win and that isn't always the case or every team not just Arkansas. Arkansas fans have become entitled and that's the main problem I see with our fans. Nothing wrong with wanting us to win but don't expect us to win every game we're supposed to win. Especially against any D1 team at their place.

When you accept mediocrity....Mediocrity becomes your ceiling.

Just wondering.....how old are you?


With the right coach this program could be great again.

[Hogs958]

IKR...It's sickening. It's like they think we're supposed to win every game we're favored to win and that isn't always the case or every team not just Arkansas. Arkansas fans have become entitled and that's the main problem I see with our fans. Nothing wrong with wanting us to win but don't expect us to win every game we're supposed to win. Especially against any D1 team at their place.

I think entitled is not the right word. It's frustration. Years and years of mediocrity with a historically great program. It's hard for a lot of people to watch. Everyone wants this program to be great, and it's just not happening.

[3kgthog]

Most of those accepting this crap are ones that never experienced what Razorback basketball used to be. We expected to win every game back then and so did the team. That's obviously not true here anymore. Just look at the relief tone of some of these postgame messages.

[TheEnemy]

Its crazy.  Its like accepting Mediocrity makes you a good fan.

But believing the Razorback Program should focus on returning to its greatness....makes you a hater.

[daprospecta]

This is what I find strange. Everyone ignores what the bracketologists are saying and they make up their own scenario.  Do you really think any bracketologist would have us in if we had to practically win out?  I don't have a lot of faith in this team at the moment but if we win every game but Florida and USC-e and get one in the SEC tourney, we will go dancing. 

[Breems]

We have the road thing partially figured out actually.

It's weird. We're starting to play like normal mediocre teams. We beat the teams below us for the most part and lose to everyone else. No more home magic or road woes. Just normal results.

[TheEnemy]

Most of those accepting this crap are ones that never experienced what Razorback basketball used to be. We expected to win every game back then and so did the team. That's obviously not true here anymore. Just look at the relief tone of some of these postgame messages.

Exactly, being a bubble team and just barely making the tourney wasn't a positive.  We expected to make the tourney and expected to make it past the first round.  And we had hopes most years of making Sweet 16s, Elite 8s and Final Fours.

Now we just settle for almosts. 

[ShadowHawg]

This is what I find strange. Everyone ignores what the bracketologists are saying and they make up their own scenario.  Do you really think any bracketologist would have us in if we had to practically win out?  I don't have a lot of faith in this team at the moment but if we win every game but Florida and USC-e and get one in the SEC tourney, we will go dancing.

Exactly but that would make the whiners furious. With the talent lined up to come in the next two seasons, they know that MA will capitalize on it and be here for a long time.

Why can't folks be happy with a win? Crazy.

[ShadowHawg]

Exactly, being a bubble team and just barely making the tourney wasn't a positive.  We expected to make the tourney and expected to make it past the first round.  And we had hopes most years of making Sweet 16s, Elite 8s and Final Fours.

Now we just settle for almosts. 

Where have you been the last 20 years? Expectations are ridiculous for as sorry as we were in the DECADE prior to MA and that we were literally  last in the SEC in facilities as well.

Got walk before you can run. Things weren't this bad since pre Sutton and we don't play in the SWC these days. Dana Altman spurned us for Creighton. Says a lot.

[daprospecta]

Its crazy.  Its like accepting Mediocrity makes you a good fan.

But believing the Razorback Program should focus on returning to its greatness....makes you a hater.

I don't accept mediocrity. I want us to return to greatness and I'm still not sure if Mike can do it. What I do think is you are a hater if you are yelling for a change after a win.  If we make the tourney this year, that would be a success.  We had a steady incline over the years culminating in a really good 2014-2015 year. Last year's struggles were expected after the departures(unexpected and somewhat expected) and the suspensions.   If we make the tourney, we are on our way back up.  If we don't make it this year considering we had it in the bag, I would be ok with either firing him or keeping him.

[Porked Tongue]

Winning tonight by having to comeback vs a last place team is the same as going to casino with $300 dollars and walking out with $300.

[ShadowHawg]

Winning tonight by having to comeback vs a last place team is the same as going to casino with $300 dollars and walking out with $300.

The vast majority of people leave down money. Breaking even is actually good considering the odds.

[TheEnemy]

I don't accept mediocrity. I want us to return to greatness and I'm still not sure if Mike can do it. What I do think is you are a hater if you are yelling for a change after a win.  If we make the tourney this year, that would be a success.  We had a steady incline over the years culminating in a really good 2014-2015 year. Last year's struggles were expected after the departures(unexpected and somewhat expected) and the suspensions.   If we make the tourney, we are on our way back up.  If we don't make it this year considering we had it in the bag, I would be ok with either firing him or keeping him.

Disagree.

Year 6 expectations should not be to limp into only our 2 Tourney appearance.  And again what I'm seeing isn't a legit Tourney team.

We need to evolve.  We gave Anderson his shot.....it ain't working.

[lynbug]

We won't make the Dance but we still have a chance at the NIT.....and I'll take it.  Think about it....we have no paint game.  Moses kinda looks anemic.  Maybe he needs to go have a checkup.

[Porked Tongue]

The vast majority of people leave down money. Breaking even is actually good considering the odds.

So set you up for that.

Breaking even is not the goal.  It's a settled position.

You're essentially saying .500 ball is acceptable.

Hogs should be on a 4-game winning streak instead of having to feel relieved we got past this piss poor team.  The volume of failures to substandard teams has people celebrating W's over teams like LSU more than they should.

Wins are obviously good.  But they come with measurements.

With today's bad losses by TENN and Vandy we likely don't have a quality win on our resume.

[Youngsta71701]

When you accept mediocrity....Mediocrity becomes your ceiling.

Just wondering.....how old are you?


With the right coach this program could be great again.

I'm 36 sir so I seen all the great Nolan years and seen a few of the Sutton years. I want this program to be just as great as everybody else does but I try to be as realistic as possible. If being realistic is accepting reality at the moment I guess I'm guilty as charged. I don't think we can just snap our fingers and make it happen. But at the same time I understand it's a microwave world now days.

[ShadowHawg]

Disagree.

Year 6 expectations should not be to limp into only our 2 Tourney appearance.  And again what I'm seeing isn't a legit Tourney team.

We need to evolve.  We gave Anderson his shot.....it ain't working.

Serious question. Using the last 2 decades, what about our program screams elite to you? Heath and Pelphrey were barely .500 overall and only won .38 of their SEC games. We have won .545 under MA thus far. Nolan won .69 of his games. MA has won .65 and came into a much worse situation. In Nolan's last 4 seasons, he didn't win .500 of his conference games. MA has won more road games in 6 seasons than Nolan, Heath, and Pel did in the previous 10. Nolan won 27 or more games only 3 times in 18 years. MA already has a 27 win season, the last season that an Arkansas team did not lose double digit games.

So seriously, what about those numbers say that we should be tearing the world a new a hole yet?

[Youngsta71701]

If we are not expected to beat last place teams, how can you expect anything more overall?

We were expected to beat Vanderbilt too and you see how that turned out. Not to mention that Missouri beat that same Vanderbilt team that beat us in Arkansas and beat Florida in Florida. In this league anybody can be beat on any given night. I don't take any wins for granted. Being an athlete growing up taught me that.

[ShadowHawg]

So set you up for that.

Breaking even is not the goal.  It's a settled position.

You're essentially saying .500 ball is acceptable.

This is so wrong because there are games where the odds of winning are 1/38. That means breaking even is way more than mediocre.

We don't play .500 ball by the way, MA has won about 66% of his games here while Nolan won 69%. MA has had a much tougher rebuild while doing that.

[Hawg Red]

I'm 36 sir so I seen all the great Nolan years and seen a few of the Sutton years. I want this program to be just as great as everybody else does but I try to be as realistic as possible. If being realistic is accepting reality at the moment I guess I'm guilty as charged. I don't think we can just snap our fingers and make it happen. But at the same time I understand it's a microwave world now days.

If you're 36, there is no way you remember seeing any Arkansas Sutton teams. You'd have been 5-6 years old and in kindergarten.

[Porked Tongue]

--You just chase your tail.  I knew better than to engage.

I know casino odds.  It's a metaphor about acceptance vs goals.  I didn't say we are playing ".500 ball".  But a loss tonight would have been .500 in conference after 9-9 last year in conference.

I appreciate your support of the team but it's really no different than mine.  I just don't accept the spin toward the positive.

Winning, really winning, needs no spin.  It speaks loudly with big time wins and expects to dominate lower end teams. It peaks with post season play and not within conversations about the future.

[hamsam]

Winning tonight by having to comeback vs a last place team is the same as going to casino with $300 dollars and walking out with $300.

Meh... Depends on how many house beers you drink!!

[Youngsta71701]

If you're 36, there is no way you remember seeing any Arkansas Sutton teams. You'd have been 5-6 years old and in kindergarten.

I said I seen a few of the Sutton teams. Didn't say I understood what was going on. I've been watching Arkansas sports with my dad since I was born. I was born a Hog fan. Real talk.

[elksnort]

IKR...It's sickening. It's like they think we're supposed to win every game we're favored to win and that isn't always the case or every team not just Arkansas. Arkansas fans have become entitled and that's the main problem I see with our fans. Nothing wrong with wanting us to win but don't expect us to win every game we're supposed to win. Especially against any D1 team at their place.

"Have become entitled" ?
Geez man it's not 1996

[WilsonHog]

I'll accept it for what it is - a win - and move on.

Make the NCAA Tournament, and all is well.

[Youngsta71701]

"Have become entitled" ?
Geez man it's not 1996

Some fans act like it is.

[Pork Twain]

So now Mike is responsible for how the fans act too? I think I've heard it all. I don't know about you but Mike doesn't control anything I do.

Mediocre coaches are no t responsible for the fan base losing their give a shirt?

[Jonteviosk]

MA has lost me as a supporter but it's difficult for a coach when we yawn after almost every win and bring on the torches after every loss.

That is because its a bunch of fairweather wannbe fans that have no understanding of how a true fans support their program no matter the ciscumstances.

[Jonteviosk]

Its crazy.  Its like accepting Mediocrity makes you a good fan.

But believing the Razorback Program should focus on returning to its greatness....makes you a hater.

No supporting your team no matter what makes you a true fan try to learn how to do that sometime.

[The_Iceman]

I guess when Mediocre Mike loses at Mizzou and at home to Vandy, beating a one win LSU team gives Mike huggers a reason to rejoice and stick out their chest a little.

[Jonteviosk]

I guess when Mediocre Mike loses at Mizzou and at home to Vandy, beating a one win LSU team gives Mike huggers a reason to rejoice and stick out their chest a little.

Or perhaps we just support these players and team like real fans as opposed to fairweather wannabe fans who have no idea of what true fanship is about.

[The_Iceman]

Or perhaps we just support these players and team like real fans as opposed to fairweather wannabe fans who have no idea of what true fanship is about.

LOL, please, explain to me what true fanship is about so I can compare it the 22 years of fanship that I can remember.

My first memory I can remember is crying when I was 6 years old after losing the NCAA Championship to UCLA. I remember going with my dad (season ticket holder) and watching Derek Hood, then Brandon Dean (I have jerseys of each). I was in the front of the student section leading the chants and cheers against Texas and OU in 2009. Even during law school, I found time to get to BWA to check out the team and cheer them on.

Even dispite my disapproval of Mike Anderson, I was at the Mississippi State and Alabama games. I watched the entire Mizzou debacle. So don't you dare question my loyalty or Fanwood just because I base my opinion of the Coach on facts, logic, and reason instead of nostalgia and emotion. I just want this program to reach its full potential, and I don't see that happening with Mediocre Mike.

[Jonteviosk]

LOL, please, explain to me what true fanship is about so I can compare it the 22 years of fanship that I can remember.

My first memory I can remember is crying when I was 6 years old after losing the NCAA Championship to UCLA. I remember going with my dad (season ticket holder) and watching Derek Hood, then Brandon Dean (I have jerseys of each). I was in the front of the student section leading the chants and cheers against Texas and OU in 2009. Even during law school, I found time to get to BWA to check out the team and cheer them on.

Even dispite my disapproval of Mike Anderson, I was at the Mississippi State and Alabama games. I watched the entire Mizzou debacle. So don't you dare question my loyalty or Fanwood just because I base my opinion of the Coach on facts, logic, and reason instead of nostalgia and emotion. I just want this program to reach its full potential, and I don't see that happening with Mediocre Mike.

True fanship = unwavering support of the program no matter what until the University chooses to make a change or the coach chooses to move on. Not criticizing when they lose and when they win constantly insulting the players or the coaching staff. 22 years of being a fair weather wannabe fan doesn't equate to being a true fan. No you don't care about full potential you only care about spreading dissention and promoting your own selfish agenda.

[GuvHog]

No supporting your team no matter what makes you a true fan try to learn how to do that sometime.

Oh I do support the team but not the Head coach.

It was good to see the team get a much need win. Here's hoping that they win out.

[TheEnemy]

I'm 36 sir so I seen all the great Nolan years and seen a few of the Sutton years. I want this program to be just as great as everybody else does but I try to be as realistic as possible. If being realistic is accepting reality at the moment I guess I'm guilty as charged. I don't think we can just snap our fingers and make it happen. But at the same time I understand it's a microwave world now days.

Really....you was what 3 or 4 years old during Sutton's last year?

And your not accepting reality, you are settling so it doesn't upset you when the team falls short.


There is nothing wrong with holding an extremely high paid coach accountable and expecting to get your money's worth.  There is no reason Razorback basketball can't be great again.

[TheEnemy]

True fanship = unwavering support of the program no matter what until the University chooses to make a change or the coach chooses to move on. Not criticizing when they lose and when they win constantly insulting the players or the coaching staff. 22 years of being a fair weather wannabe fan doesn't equate to being a true fan. No you don't care about full potential you only care about spreading dissention and promoting your own selfish agenda.

B.S.

Nothing wrong with seeing flaws in the program and wanting those flaws corrected.  Get off your high horse that you are a true fan because you are willing to stick your head in the sand while the program slowly sinks.

I love the Razorbacks and that is why I'm passionate that we make the changes to get back where this great program should be!

[The_Iceman]

True fanship = unwavering support of the program no matter what until the University chooses to make a change or the coach chooses to move on. Not criticizing when they lose and when they win constantly insulting the players or the coaching staff. 22 years of being a fair weather wannabe fan doesn't equate to being a true fan. No you don't care about full potential you only care about spreading dissention and promoting your own selfish agenda.

This is this biggest load of monkey shite I have ever read. Congratulations on passing up so many other ridiculous hogville posts.

I can't even think of a possible selfish agenda I could have. My only agenda is to see our program thrive, not lose to sub-.500 teams that knock us out of ncaa tournament contention as happened in 2014 and now again in 2017. I also like a program that doesn't go 16-16 in a coaches 5th year.

I'd like to have a coach that exceeds the ncaa tournament resumes of Stan Heath and John Pelphrey. If that means I have a selfish agenda, then I will accept that and not be the least bit ashamed. Better than shoving my head in the sand.

[hawgfan2]

FYI.

fanatic [fuh-nat-ik]  noun 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion, sports, or politics.

So, technically, anyone who is critical of the team or players is NOT a fan by the true definition. I honestly believe that I am a fan, but I do find myself being critical of the effort of this team. To my chagrin, this puts me on the fringe of true fandom.
However, unlike several on here, I have extreme enthusiasm and zeal for the team, which at least keeps me in the pool of "fans". Those that do not have extreme enthusiasm or zeal (e.g. the ones who criticize consistently) are not fans, even though they like to say they are.

[rickfahr]

Some of you are not recognizing that there is a difference in being happy with a win and being satisfied with the state of the program.

I'm glad we beat LSU, but beating a cellar-dwelling team doesn't mean a thing. There was a time when we were beating LSU when Shaq was there. There was a time the Hogs were a national power and simply making the NCAA tournament was a foregone conclusion. How far we would go was the question. There was a time people feared this team.

Not now. Not for a while.

We haven't been relevant since we had an outstanding coach. We certainly don't have one now. Let's go get one, please.

[TheEnemy]

FYI.

fanatic [fuh-nat-ik]  noun 1. a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, as in religion, sports, or politics.

So, technically, anyone who is critical of the team or players is NOT a fan by the true definition. I honestly believe that I am a fan, but I do find myself being critical of the effort of this team. To my chagrin, this puts me on the fringe of true fandom.
However, unlike several on here, I have extreme enthusiasm and zeal for the team, which at least keeps me in the pool of "fans". Those that do not have extreme enthusiasm or zeal (e.g. the ones who criticize consistently) are not fans, even though they like to say they are.

Cambridge English Dictionary
fanatic
noun [ C ] UK ​ /fəˈnæt.ɪk/ US ​ /fəˈnæt̬.ɪk/
​
C2 informal a person who is extremely interested in something, to a degree that some people find unreasonable:

Thesaurus.com
fanatic
noun person overenthusiastic about an interest

Vocabulary.com
fanatic
1
n a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm (as for a cause)

Free Dictionary.com
fa·nat·ic  (fə-năt′ĭk)
n.
A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.


Oxford Dictionary
fanatic
NOUN

1A person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal,



Cherry picking a definition of Fanatic doesn't prove anything.

[rude1]

I'll accept it for what it is - a win - and move on.

Make the NCAA Tournament, and all is well.

I like this^^^. I have decided I am not going to waste time debating about how bad wins are or how bad any loss maybe. It's as simple as this, I want to see a tourney  bid for this team or I feel we have wasted enough time and we need to look elsewhere.