J-Red

[azhog10]

Can someone enlighten me on what's up with J-Red? I mean he went from not being a big deal, he will be ready when fall camp starts, to he will be ready when school starts we just can't add him to the 105, to now he may be ready next week, the week after, or after the bye week before TAMU.

I mean what happened to him? It's seeming more and more that the injury is fairly serious. Why can't CBB just come out and be honest about what's going on without getting too much into detail of his personal injury?

[PorkRinds]

Seems like it's a touch and go situation. When all those things were said they were true. Injuries are fluid situations and can change. Evidently he's not healing like they thought or hoped he would.

[ricepig]

Can someone enlighten me on what's up with J-Red? I mean he went from not being a big deal, he will be ready when fall camp starts, to he will be ready when school starts we just can't add him to the 105, to now he may be ready next week, the week after, or after the bye week before TAMU.

I mean what happened to him? It's seeming more and more that the injury is fairly serious. Why can't CBB just come out and be honest about what's going on without getting too much into detail of his personal injury?

It's the same back issue that bothered him last year, seems simple enough to me.

[bennyl08]

I'd bet that he could play right now if we needed him to. However, it's not like he needs the practice, so there's no sense having him play through anything right now.

I'd be shocked if he didn't play against TCU.

[PorkRinds]

I'd bet that he could play right now if we needed him to. However, it's not like he needs the practice, so there's no sense having him play through anything right now.

I'd be shocked if he didn't play against TCU.

I'd disagree. I feel like they all need practice.

[bennyl08]

I'd disagree. I feel like they all need practice.

Practice is better than no practice for sure. However, this guy is a senior. There wasn't a single receiver who produced more from the slot position in the entirety of college football than Cornelius did last season.

Our offensive success is not dependent on him practicing. If he doesn't improve at all from last season to this season, we'll still be just fine, and he already has improved from last season.

[theFlyingHog]

I was inflicted with a "minor" foot injury two weeks ago. Figured I'd be good in three days. Three days later I'm thinking two more days. Two days later I'm thinking another week. It still hurts

[PorkRinds]

Practice is better than no practice for sure. However, this guy is a senior. There wasn't a single receiver who produced more from the slot position in the entirety of college football than Cornelius did last season.

Our offensive success is not dependent on him practicing. If he doesn't improve at all from last season to this season, we'll still be just fine, and he already has improved from last season.

I get your point. I just feel like he's going to be rusty after missing action for almost a year.

[RagingHawgOn]

As great as JRed was last season, it will be hard for him to be a major contributor - early - without practice reps and getting hit a few times.  He definitely knows the offense, is extremely talented, etc. but you can't overstate the importance of practice reps.

[gmarv]

Some stuff on J-Red at the end of the article.
http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/23/tj-hammonds-track-play-opener/

[azhog10]

Practice is better than no practice for sure. However, this guy is a senior. There wasn't a single receiver who produced more from the slot position in the entirety of college football than Cornelius did last season.

Our offensive success is not dependent on him practicing. If he doesn't improve at all from last season to this season, we'll still be just fine, and he already has improved from last season.

I could understand him not needing the practice (or at least out there scrimmaging and such). But something doesn't add up with all this. Sure you could say he's not healing as quickly as you thought. But they held him off the 105 on purpose, so they new back when fall camp started he wasn't gonna get any reps all fall before school started. They also seem to be fairly confident this could hold him out past TCU.

Just seems odd that they don't say what's going on, for other guys they have come out and disclosed a foot injury or Hammonds knee injury. But with J-Red they aren't saying anything really. You can say it seems simple but this is some top secret stuff the way CBB has danced around this thing for weeks.

[azhog10]

I was inflicted with a "minor" foot injury two weeks ago. Figured I'd be good in three days. Three days later I'm thinking two more days. Two days later I'm thinking another week. It still hurts

Nah they knew when fall camp started he wasn't coming back that soon or they wouldn't have left him off the 105.

[ricepig]

I was inflicted with a "minor" foot injury two weeks ago. Figured I'd be good in three days. Three days later I'm thinking two more days. Two days later I'm thinking another week. It still hurts

I'm on week two of "hoping I'm feeling better" after pulling a muscle in my back. It actually is better, but I thought at different times it was 100%, until I moved a certain way.

[bennyl08]

I could understand him not needing the practice (or at least out there scrimmaging and such). But something doesn't add up with all this. Sure you could say he's not healing as quickly as you thought. But they held him off the 105 on purpose, so they new back when fall camp started he wasn't gonna get any reps all fall before school started. They also seem to be fairly confident this could hold him out past TCU.

Just seems odd that they don't say what's going on, for other guys they have come out and disclosed a foot injury or Hammonds knee injury. But with J-Red they aren't saying anything really. You can say it seems simple but this is some top secret stuff the way CBB has danced around this thing for weeks.

It's not top secret stuff. It's a back muscle injury and those types of injury are always finicky. It's a lot like a hamstring injury in that regard. Can often be lingering and really hard to predict when it will be fully healed.

The injury is not so bad that he can't play through it as he did play through it for much of last season. Just that ideally he won't have to play through it this season. To the point that it's better to have him play 80% of the games at 100% health than 100% of the games at 80% health.

[factchecker]

Nah they knew when fall camp started he wasn't coming back that soon or they wouldn't have left him off the 105.

You know players can be moved on and off the 105..... right?

There is no reason to have a player on the 105 if he can't practice.

[azhog10]

You know players can be moved on and off the 105..... right?

There is no reason to have a player on the 105 if he can't practice.

I'm aware. But towards the back end of the fall camp before school started CBB said they wouldn't be able to add J-Red if they wanted at this point. Mentioned it's an NCAA thing. I assumed it had to do with you can add and drop up to a certain point. Maybe I got that confused with something else......

Also I was not aware he had another back issue. I suppose I missed that update early in fall camp.

[factchecker]

If I'm not mistaken, it's been the same back issue as always.  It's the one that kept him from playing in the bowl game.

As far as I know he hasn't had surgery but back injuries are a bitch and can flare up and cause spasms.

[azhog10]

If I'm not mistaken, it's been the same back issue as always.  It's the one that kept him from playing in the bowl game.

As far as I know he hasn't had surgery but back injuries are a bitch and can flare up and cause spasms.

I see. I guess that's good and bad. Good it's not something new, but bad that it's a back that doesn't seem to heel.

[Iwastherein1969]

Who is J-Red ? Since Bielema got here at least half the player are referred to by some letter combination in their name.

[bennyl08]

Who is J-Red ? Since Bielema got here at least half the player are referred to by some letter combination in their name.

See reply #5

[PorkRinds]

I'm on week two of "hoping I'm feeling better" after pulling a muscle in my back. It actually is better, but I thought at different times it was 100%, until I moved a certain way.

Back muscle injuries are the pits. I had one that made me think I had a kidney stone it was so bad. Lasted for months.  Cleaning up after taking a dump was like getting stabbed in the back with a hot knife.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Who is J-Red ? Since Bielema got here at least half the player are referred to by some letter combination in their name.

Also who is this kid I've seen called Double A, and who is this Sosa person.  And do we have two O' Grady's because I've heard people talk about a CJ and a Cheyenne.

[1highhog]

It's not top secret stuff. It's a back muscle injury and those types of injury are always finicky. It's a lot like a hamstring injury in that regard. Can often be lingering and really hard to predict when it will be fully healed.

The injury is not so bad that he can't play through it as he did play through it for much of last season. Just that ideally he won't have to play through it this season. To the point that it's better to have him play 80% of the games at 100% health than 100% of the games at 80% health.

Yep.  I know back injuries like I do the back of my hand, and I know it pretty dang good.  As someone who has suffered major back pain for over 30 years, and seen many specialists, you never want to rush someone who has suffered any type of back injury.  If JRed just suffered a pulled muscle, the best thing is plenty of rest, but that doesn't mean sitting on the couch where that's how a lot of people make their mistake, you still have to be active, but in a way to where you don't reinjure and make yourself worse.  I'm sure that's what they are doing with JRed and will continue to do until he is as close to 100% as he's going to get.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

I could understand him not needing the practice (or at least out there scrimmaging and such). But something doesn't add up with all this. Sure you could say he's not healing as quickly as you thought. But they held him off the 105 on purpose, so they new back when fall camp started he wasn't gonna get any reps all fall before school started. They also seem to be fairly confident this could hold him out past TCU.

Just seems odd that they don't say what's going on, for other guys they have come out and disclosed a foot injury or Hammonds knee injury. But with J-Red they aren't saying anything really. You can say it seems simple but this is some top secret stuff the way CBB has danced around this thing for weeks.

They have said it is a back issue.   What question do you want answered?  Do you want a specific diagnosis like "spondylolisthesis".   If you do, you are not getting it because we got rules against that unless the player gives permission and the coach wants you to know.   You seem to be insinuating that CBB is hiding something, well, your right he is.  And he should.

[azhog10]

They have said it is a back issue.   What question do you want answered?  Do you want a specific diagnosis like "spondylolisthesis".   If you do, you are not getting it because we got rules against that unless the player gives permission and the coach wants you to know.   You seem to be insinuating that CBB is hiding something, well, your right he is.  And he should.

As I said later (it's okay if you decided not to read further) I haven't read anything since fall camp started where they said J-Red is having back issues. I have now heard it a few times today from hogville, but have not seen CBB say J-Red is battling back issues.

Sorry if that upset you.

[factchecker]

As I said later (it's okay if you decided not to read further) I haven't read anything since fall camp started where they said J-Red is having back issues. I have now heard it a few times today from hogville, but have not seen CBB say J-Red is battling back issues.

Sorry if that upset you.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/jul/28/cornelius-sidelined-injury/

The Arkansas Razorbacks will hold wide receiver Jared Cornelius out of practice for an extended period of time after the senior's back tightened up following Thursday's first workout of camp, a person with knowledge of the situation said Friday.
Cornelius had not been cleared for full participation to start training camp, Coach Bret Bielema said Thursday, adding that the receiver was limited in team drills, as was linebacker Dre Greenlaw.

Cornelius dealt with tightness in his back for parts of last season. He sat out the Razorbacks' 42-3 victory over Texas State on Sept. 17. Cornelius returned the following week and caught 7 passes for 126 yards, including a 5-yard touchdown, in the Razorbacks' 45-24 loss to Texas A&M.

[HogShat]

Also who is this kid I've seen called Double A, and who is this Sosa person.  And do we have two O' Grady's because I've heard people talk about a CJ and a Cheyenne.

They are cousins...

[Deep Shoat]

As I said later (it's okay if you decided not to read further) I haven't read anything since fall camp started where they said J-Red is having back issues. I have now heard it a few times today from hogville, but have not seen CBB say J-Red is battling back issues.

Sorry if that upset you.

If you haven't read about it, it's because you haven't been paying attention.  There have been 5-10 mentions of it just since the first scrimmage.  At least 2-3 articles focusing on that alone.

But you don't like Bielema, so it's his fault you didn't even attempt any research.

[azhog10]

If you haven't read about it, it's because you haven't been paying attention.  There have been 5-10 mentions of it just since the first scrimmage.  At least 2-3 articles focusing on that alone.

But you don't like Bielema, so it's his fault you didn't even attempt any research.

On the contrary I do like CBB. But apparently have not comprehended the articles that have been published. That or I just flat out missed them.

Lot of butt hurt in this thread.

[Iwastherein1969]

Also who is this kid I've seen called Double A, and who is this Sosa person.  And do we have two O' Grady's because I've heard people talk about a CJ and a Cheyenne.

you offer nothing but sarcasm....I've forgotten more than you know about the history of the Arkansas Razorbacks

[PonderinHog]

They are cousins...

Identical cousins

[Dominicanhog]

I'm on week two of "hoping I'm feeling better" after pulling a muscle in my back. It actually is better, but I thought at different times it was 100%, until I moved a certain way.

trying to get more turn in your back swing or just swinging too hard?

[RazorbackBassist]

1 catch for 6 yards, can anyone explain this one, lol. GO Hogs

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

He's still susceptible to further back injury, so why force him to play several series against the likes of Florida A&M when we really don't need him to win? J Red will be back on the field this week

[longpig]

Martinis make my back hurt.