Getting Out-Rebounded by the Smallest Team in the Tournament is Unacceptable

[collins4heisman]

When is Mike Anderson going to learn that rebounding is an essential part of the game? Literally no one was blocking out, they just stand around and wait for the ball to come to them or try to jump high to get it. It's just extremely frustrating because it's such a simple concept but Anderson refuses to emphasize the importance of it.

[collins4heisman]

We were lucky to escape with the win

[ricepig]

Yeah, and what did that get that team, a trip home?

[collins4heisman]

Yeah, and what did that get that team, a trip home?

so just because we were extremely lucky to steal the win, this problem should just be completely ignored? Sweet logic

[Jamie Jones]

"Coaches only look at stat sheets when they lose."
                                              --Nolan Richardson

[ErieHog]

When is Mike Anderson going to learn that rebounding is an essential part of the game? Literally no one was blocking out, they just stand around and wait for the ball to come to them or try to jump high to get it. It's just extremely frustrating because it's such a simple concept but Anderson refuses to emphasize the importance of it.

There are only so many points of emphasis to go around;  all decisions have trade offs.  Our style of basketball generally sacrifices rebounding, in favor of other things which offer greater marginal utility.

[ricepig]

so just because we were extremely lucky to steal the win, this problem should just be completely ignored? Sweet logic

If you are just now complaining about rebounding in Mike's/Nolan's system, then you are 25+ years behind.

[Inhogswetrust]

"Coaches only look at stat sheets when they lose."
                                              --Nolan Richardson

Smart man!

[HouSwine]

I love ugly wins

[collins4heisman]

"Coaches only look at stat sheets when they lose."
                                              --Nolan Richardson

I disagree with that quote. If you don't think there are things to learn from mistakes on victories than you're just being delusional. That quote essentially implies that there is nothing wrong with how the team played just because they won. I guarantee you Roy Williams doesn't see it that way. All he has to do is watch our game and emphasize to his team that our weakness is the boards and they will attack it and dominate us.

[WMHawgfan]

That raggedy ride hasn't died yet. Keep rollin.

[HawgnCorona]

I love ugly wins

...It beats a smooth walk--in the park!!

+1

[ricepig]

I disagree with that quote. If you don't think there are things to learn from mistakes on victories than you're just being delusional. That quote essentially implies that there is nothing wrong with how the team played just because they won. I guarantee you Roy Williams doesn't see it that way. All he has to do is watch our game and emphasize to his team that our weakness is the boards and they will attack it and dominate us.

Roy better worry about having 17 turnovers against Harvard.

[Hollywood_HOGan45]

I disagree with that quote. If you don't think there are things to learn from mistakes on victories than you're just being delusional. That quote essentially implies that there is nothing wrong with how the team played just because they won. I guarantee you Roy Williams doesn't see it that way. All he has to do is watch our game and emphasize to his team that our weakness is the boards and they will attack it and dominate us.

Troll

[collins4heisman]

If you are just now complaining about rebounding in Mike's/Nolan's system, then you are 25+ years behind.

i am well aware of this problem. But when it happens against the smallest team in the tourny, that tells me it's more than just a problem. It's an epidemic and will cause is many problems in the future 

[PonderinHog]

...It beats a smooth walk--in the park home!!

+1

Fixt.

[azhog10]

When is Mike Anderson going to learn that rebounding is an essential part of the game? Literally no one was blocking out, they just stand around and wait for the ball to come to them or try to jump high to get it. It's just extremely frustrating because it's such a simple concept but Anderson refuses to emphasize the importance of it.

Yes it's CMA's fault. I'm sure he never brings up rebounding EVER! It's not like he went out and got guys that are 6'8, 6'9, 6'9, and 6'11. It's all his fault that we can have a guy or guys pick up almost more offensive rebounds than defensive. Or we have a guy with almost double digit rebounds and none came on the offensive glass. But yes, it's CMA's fault for sure that we don't rebound and blockout better. So what does  typical practice look like? just curious as you are on top of what CMA does and doesn't emphasize.

[collins4heisman]

Troll

how is that considered a troll? You people really don't think there are things that can be learned and built off of from an ugly win?

[collins4heisman]

Yes it's CMA's fault. I'm sure he never brings up rebounding EVER! It's not like he went out and got guys that are 6'8, 6'9, 6'9, and 6'11. It's all his fault that we can have a guy or guys pick up almost more offensive rebounds than defensive. Or we have a guy with almost double digit rebounds and none came on the offensive glass. But yes, it's CMA's fault for sure that we don't rebound and blockout better. So what does  typical practice look like? just curious as you are on top of what CMA does and doesn't emphasize.

it is the coaches fault, as many razorback fans agree this has been a problem with this system dating back to even Nolan

[Hogfaniam]

Yeah, and what did that get that team, a trip home?

An excellent chance to win it in the end, vs a 15 point loss with no chance to win.

[HawgnCorona]

I disagree with that quote. If you don't think there are things to learn from mistakes on victories than you're just being delusional. That quote essentially implies that there is nothing wrong with how the team played just because they won. I guarantee you Roy Williams doesn't see it that way. All he has to do is watch our game and emphasize to his team that our weakness is the boards and they will attack it and dominate us.

"Trollin' trollin, keep them doggies movin..."

Who gives a rats ass about RW? His team barely got here win yesterday against an even lower seeded team. And some how you conclude we are going to get beat, like we stole something. Spare us please!!!!

[Cresthog]

Ky Madden was going HAM on the boards at the end.

It was just a weird game. So glad we pulled it out.

[Jamie Jones]

If you're a basketball "purest", meaning that you like teams that play fundamentally sound basketball (IE. Screen and rolls, blocking out on shots, backdoor cuts, slow the tempo, 2-1-2 zones, short shorts and Chuck Taylor's...) you are never going to be able to enjoy the process of getting to the win, under Mike Anderson. You will have a winning basketball team to root for, but you are going to be pretty much miserable while watching the games. Try to enjoy the fact that our team has 27 wins and is in the round of 32...regardless of the route taken to get there.

[azhog10]

i am well aware of this problem. But when it happens against the smallest team in the tourny, that tells me it's more than just a problem. It's an epidemic and will cause is many problems in the future

Agree this team had no business being here. They were the most picked 5 12 upset but yet because they are the smallest team have no business playing us. Again lets get upset over something that is pretty much the norm. We weren't killed on the glass, we were out rebounded by 2 in a game where they took 9 more shots than us.

Also, a little lesson for you they shot 24 threes. Long shots mean long rebounds. We made a huge emphasis to contest shots, contesting those shots led to long rebounds. Typically longer rebounds have a high chance of being tracked down by the offense.

[bigred223]

how is that considered a troll? You people really don't think there are things that can be learned and built off of from an ugly win?

It's the NCAA tournament. All that matters is that you win. It's a new game on Saturday.

[ricepig]

An excellent chance to win it in the end, vs a 15 point loss with no chance to win.

And yet, they are back in Spartanburg....

[azhog10]

it is the coaches fault, as many razorback fans agree this has been a problem with this system dating back to even Nolan

It's always the coaches fault......let me change that. It's always CMA's fault. Now with the football team and our lack of being able to throw the football it's BA's fault. It's not the head coaches fault in that situation. I'm sure it has nothing to do with anything outside of that I'm sure.

[HawgnCorona]

What you could say is that we didnt hustle as much after 50/50 balls...That I would agree with...

[Hollywood_HOGan45]

If you're a basketball "purest", meaning that you like teams that play fundamentally sound basketball (IE. Screen and rolls, blocking out on shots, backdoor cuts, slow the tempo, 2-1-2 zones, short shorts and Chuck Taylor's...) you are never going to be able to enjoy the process of getting to the win, under Mike Anderson. You will have a winning basketball team to root for, but you are going to be pretty much miserable while watching the games. Try to enjoy the fact that our team has 27 wins and is in the round of 32...regardless of the route taken to get there.

I guess those morons don't remember what "fundamental" basketball looked like under Stan "fresh legs" Heath.

They would have loved that game we had 72 rebounds back in 2002 when we only won nine games.

[azhog10]

If you're a basketball "purest", meaning that you like teams that play fundamentally sound basketball (IE. Screen and rolls, blocking out on shots, backdoor cuts, slow the tempo, 2-1-2 zones, short shorts and Chuck Taylor's...) you are never going to be able to enjoy the process of getting to the win, under Mike Anderson. You will have a winning basketball team to root for, but you are going to be pretty much miserable while watching the games. Try to enjoy the fact that our team has 27 wins and is in the round of 32...regardless of the route taken to get there.

Yes, we don't set screen and rolls (moses had a dunk on one last night), we don't back door cut (qualls has had a number of dunks on those this year), we don't slow the tempo (we won by scoring 56 points). I agree it's ugly basketball.........

[Inhogswetrust]

I disagree with that quote. If you don't think there are things to learn from mistakes on victories than you're just being delusional. That quote essentially implies that there is nothing wrong with how the team played just because they won. I guarantee you Roy Williams doesn't see it that way. All he has to do is watch our game and emphasize to his team that our weakness is the boards and they will attack it and dominate us.

You disagree with a HOF coach...........I bet you are not one of those.

[STLhawg]

I'll take winning in points over rebounds every time!

[HawgnCorona]

It is just the way we roll...Get use to it!!! Adapt and overcome...it will do wonders for your psyche!! :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[Hollywood_HOGan45]

I guess if we beat Carolina by 5 points tomorrow night but lose the rebound battle we will still suck miserably in the sweet 16.

[mmhogs17]

Did you see what happened in the NCAA Tournament yesterday? Craziness. A win is a damn win.

[poloprince]

When will the OP learn that the coach doesn't rebound?  Ijs

[Pork Twain]

I cannot believe we lost this game...

[PonderinHog]

I cannot believe we lost this game...

Troof is strangler then friction.

[Hogfaniam]

And yet, they are back in Spartanburg....

Dangerous way to live when it is easy to fix.  Those last two shots should've meant nothing.  They had a chance for no reason.

[intelligence]

Aww, are you a sad widdle troll? Let ladybron cheer you up?



Still sad? try a side of John Calimari

[lefty08]

Amount of 3 pointers taken affect rebounding as well,  long rebounds typically go to the offense

[Jamie Jones]

Yes, we don't set screen and rolls (moses had a dunk on one last night), we don't back door cut (qualls has had a number of dunks on those this year), we don't slow the tempo (we won by scoring 56 points). I agree it's ugly basketball.........

You may have missed my point. The Hogs don't depend on that type of basketball, game in and game out, to win. They depend on speeding the opposition up, to an uncomfortable pace, and causing them to make mistakes that turn into quick buckets and open 3's. Offense by defense. When they are in set offense, they typically get the ball around the perimeter, looking for an entry pass, to a post player who usually goes one on one with a defender, or swings it out to an open shooter, who has had his defender lose him because he sucked down inside to help on the post. They don't play 1960's Boston Celtics basketball.

[AWHAWG]

Dangerous way to live when it is easy to fix.  Those last two shots should've meant nothing.  They had a chance for no reason.

those last two shots did mean nothing.. They missed. We were ahead and won

[Hogfaniam]

Aww, are you a sad widdle troll? Let ladybron cheer you up?



Still sad? try a side of John Calimari

Ooh wee.  I struck a nerve.

They had an unnecessary chance.

[PonderinHog]

Ooh wee.  I struck a nerve.

They had an unnecessary chance.

Knowing our luck, we'd foul on the three, it would go in, and they'd hit the and 1.

[Pigliophile]

You saw the stat that showed that AR is I think it was third smallest team in the tourney. It's not like the Hogs are giants out there. We give up some blocking out in hopes to get out in transition/get back in transition. Every team has stuff to work on and I'm sure we will be improved next year.

[waphill]

We're not horrible on the glass. We had the most offensive rebounds of any team in the SEC this year, yes even more than Kentucky.

1. Arkansas - 442
2. Kentucky - 439

[ricepig]

Dangerous way to live when it is easy to fix.  Those last two shots should've meant nothing.  They had a chance for no reason.

It's a trade off, pressing and speeding a team up, leaves us in less than ideal rebounding possession. However, they shot terribly because they had to extend their energy, works out to a win.

[PonderinHog]

It's a trade off, pressing and speeding a team up, leaves us in less than ideal rebounding possession. However, they shot terribly because they had to extend their energy, works out to a win.

We won

[woodhog14]

When is Mike Anderson going to learn that rebounding is an essential part of the game? Literally no one was blocking out, they just stand around and wait for the ball to come to them or try to jump high to get it. It's just extremely frustrating because it's such a simple concept but Anderson refuses to emphasize the importance of it.

Sooooooooooo, we just won our first NCAA Tournament game in 7 years...let me repeat that. We just won our first NCAA Tournament game in 7 YEARS!! And you are bitching and complaining about rebounding and saying it is unacceptable. This is hilarious! Why don't you enjoy a win? I'm sure you been complaining that we haven't been in the NCAA in 7 years before this year too...and we finally win one and you find something to bitch about. Haaaaaaaaaaa!

What if we beat UNC to get to the Sweet 16, but they out rebound us by 10. You still going to think that is "unacceptable" even though we would win AGAIN?