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Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:17:36 pm
How often do the hogs run offensive plays?

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 09:27:03 pm #1
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:17:36 pm
How often do the hogs run offensive plays?

The motion offense is running all the time.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

3kgthog

March 19, 2015, 09:27:19 pm #2
I can't recall one this season. It almost always looks like improv to me.

z1on

March 19, 2015, 09:29:29 pm #3
It's called a motion offense

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:30:24 pm #4
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 09:27:03 pm
The motion offense is running all the time.
So they aren't set plays...just run around screening until someone gets a good look?  Isn't that kinda like a pick-up game at the YMCA?

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 09:31:09 pm #5
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:30:24 pm
So they aren't set plays...just run around screening until someone gets a good look?

Screens, cuts,  curls, running the baseline.    Are you not familiar with the motion offense?  Its only one of the staples of college basketball.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:33:46 pm #6
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 09:31:09 pm
Screens, cuts,  curls, running the baseline.    Are you not familiar with the motion offense?  Its only one of the staples of college basketball.
By no means am I an expert, but from a fan's perspective it looks as though the motion offense isn't very effective. 

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 09:35:21 pm #7
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:33:46 pm
By no means am I an expert, but from a fan's perspective it looks as though the motion offense isn't very effective. 

Its not like Bobby Knight won over 900 games with it or anything....
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Ex-Trumpet

March 19, 2015, 09:42:13 pm #8
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 09:35:21 pm
Its not like Bobby Knight won over 900 games with it or anything....

Hogs look nothing like what Bobby Knight ran.
Do dyslexic, agnostic insomniacs lie awake at night wondering if there really is a dog?

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 09:44:10 pm #9
Quote from: Ex-Trumpet on March 19, 2015, 09:42:13 pm
Hogs look nothing like what Bobby Knight ran.

The same offense, with a few different tweaks.

The only difference is in efficiency.    When the shots fall, it looks like a good Bobby Knight offense.  When it doesn't, it looks like a Texas Tech Bobby Knight offense.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Dr. Starcs

March 19, 2015, 09:44:40 pm #10
I don't agree with the op bringing this up right now. However, I would like to see us mix in more set plays off the motion offense. We seem to have a handful of them. I'd like to see a handful (or two) more.

tusksincolorado

March 19, 2015, 09:50:40 pm #11
Quote from: Dr. Starcs on March 19, 2015, 09:44:40 pm
I don't agree with the op bringing this up right now. However, I would like to see us mix in more set plays off the motion offense. We seem to have a handful of them. I'd like to see a handful (or two) more.



What do you expect...someone that doesnt like MA.

YEAH I SAID IT!
Screw it! I'm an old angry male, live with it!

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:52:36 pm #12
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 09:44:10 pm
The same offense, with a few different tweaks.

The only difference is in efficiency.    When the shots fall, it looks like a good Bobby Knight offense.  When it doesn't, it looks like a Texas Tech Bobby Knight offense.
So it's a good offense in theory if the players can execute.  But if/when they can't, maybe try something new?  Seems like on most occasions, the half court offense lives and dies by the 3-pointer because they do not have creative ways to work from the post.
 

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:54:00 pm #13
Quote from: tusksincolorado on March 19, 2015, 09:50:40 pm
What do you expect...someone that doesnt like MA.

YEAH I SAID IT!
That's incorrect.  I don't even know him.  But I'm trying to figure out his system on offense.

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 09:54:21 pm #14
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:52:36 pm
So it's a good offense in theory if the players can execute.  But if/when they can't, maybe try something new?  Seems like on most occasions, the half court offense lives and dies by the 3-pointer because they do not have creative ways to work from the post.

You can't junk an offense mid-game.  That's not how it works.  You run one base offense.   Not 'Heck, this looks like it is going to be hard, let's ditch it!'

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:55:26 pm #15
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 09:54:21 pm
You can't junk an offense mid-game.  That's not how it works.  You run one base offense.   Not 'Heck, this looks like it is going to be hard, let's ditch it!'
What about during practice?  Tough to make such a drastic in-game adjustment.

HSVhogfan2

March 19, 2015, 09:55:39 pm #16
If Portis was hitting all of the bunnies inside he's missed AR up by 6-8. Don't have that look. Already gone maybe? Body language is awful.
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hawgnosticator

March 19, 2015, 09:56:07 pm #17
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:52:36 pm
So it's a good offense in theory if the players can execute.  But if/when they can't, maybe try something new?  Seems like on most occasions, the half court offense lives and dies by the 3-pointer because they do not have creative ways to work from the post.

And yet Bobby Portis nearly led the SEC in scoring.

Danny J

March 19, 2015, 09:56:10 pm #18
We run set plays out of timeouts when we have time. We run several, I know one is called "two" and that is the one we ran to win the Ole Miss game. It didn't go as expected because the screen Harris set wasn't good enough so we backed it back out and went with a isolation with Madden. If you go back and watch the replay you can see CMA actually telling Watkins and Cleveland we were going to run "two" and he confirmed as much during "full court press with Mike Anderson".

So we do run plays out of timeouts usually. Other than that just a motion offense.

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:56:56 pm #19
Quote from: HSVhogfan2 on March 19, 2015, 09:55:39 pm
If Portis was hitting all of the bunnies inside he's missed AR up by 6-8. Don't have that look. Already gone maybe? Body language is awful.
I agree.  I don't think he has the strength to compete in the NBA right now at his position. 

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 09:57:38 pm #20
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:55:26 pm
What about during practice?  Tough to make such a drastic in-game adjustment.

Very very limited practice time.  You don't install two offenses.    You do what you do, and get as good at it as possible.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:58:03 pm #21
Quote from: Danny J on March 19, 2015, 09:56:10 pm
We run set plays out of timeouts when we have time. We run several, I know one is called "two" and that is the one we ran to win the Ole Miss game. It didn't go as expected because the screen Harris set wasn't good enough so we backed it back out and went with a isolation with Madden. If you go back and watch the replay you can see CMA actually telling Watkins and Cleveland we were going to run "two" and he confirmed as much during "full court press with Mike Anderson".

So we do run plays out of timeouts usually. Other than that just a motion offense.
Thanks for the explanation.

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 09:59:03 pm #22
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 09:57:38 pm
Very very limited practice time.  You don't install two offenses.    You do what you do, and get as good at it as possible.
But it's not really an offense to install, is it?  Pretty basic motion patterns?

HSVhogfan2

March 19, 2015, 10:01:14 pm #23
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:56:56 pm
I agree.  I don't think he has the strength to compete in the NBA right now at his position.

Oh he is still a first rounder. My comment was has he already left in his mind. Dude has been on planet Zenon the last 3 games. Unless he's having personal issues.
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CDBHawg

March 19, 2015, 10:02:45 pm #24
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:54:00 pm
That's incorrect.  I don't even know him.  But I'm trying to figure out his system on offense.

Then something new after that if they don't execute?


We're a good basketball team. Lots of good teams play rough at times.

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 10:02:47 pm #25
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:59:03 pm
But it's not really an offense to install, is it?  Pretty basic motion patterns?

Its as complex as any other college offense;  are you playing a 3-2, are you teaching 4 out, are you teaching 5 out, do you switch based on whether you are facing a zone, do you incorporate Duke motion elements--   no.   It isn't basic;  the things you ask players to do, require them to be both aware and thinking, and above all, moving.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 10:03:00 pm #26
Quote from: HSVhogfan2 on March 19, 2015, 10:01:14 pm
Oh he is still a first rounder. My comment was has he already left in his mind. Dude has been on planet Zenon the last 3 games. Unless he's having personal issues.
So you think he's definitely gone?

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 10:06:57 pm #27
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 10:02:47 pm
Its as complex as any other college offense;  are you playing a 3-2, are you teaching 4 out, are you teaching 5 out, do you switch based on whether you are facing a zone, do you incorporate Duke motion elements--   no.   It isn't basic;  the things you ask players to do, require them to be both aware and thinking, and above all, moving.
Ok thanks.  But don't you agree that set plays could be a better way to utilize Portis on the post?

HSVhogfan2

March 19, 2015, 10:08:08 pm #28
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 10:03:00 pm
So you think he's definitely gone?

I was told a little over a week ago by someone who should know that he's staying. He's just got that look like hes not connected. I watched him on the bench and he wasn't even watching the game. That's really strange for Portis.
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Danny J

March 19, 2015, 10:08:33 pm #29
Quote from: HSVhogfan2 on March 19, 2015, 10:01:14 pm
Oh he is still a first rounder. My comment was has he already left in his mind. Dude has been on planet Zenon the last 3 games. Unless he's having personal issues.
You may very well be right. He sure has played like a person who is trying to push his draft stock higher. Some players play better and some don't. He needs to get that out of his head. However he could just be in a funk. He really needs to see one of his mid range jumpers fall. That would be a play I drew up at halftime. Get him in a position to get a good mid range shot.

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 10:08:48 pm #30
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 10:06:57 pm
Ok thanks.  But don't you agree that set plays could be a better way to utilize Portis on the post?

#1-  Bobby Portis is not a post player.  We should not be trying to use him in the post.  That's like trying to play baseball by swinging your face.

#2-   We're missing all kinds of easy cutters to the rim.   We correct the recognition of double teams, and it doesn't matter how physical Wofford plays, they're going to put themselves in no-win situations.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Prestworthy

March 19, 2015, 10:10:43 pm #31
Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2015, 10:08:48 pm
#1-  Bobby Portis is not a post player.  We should not be trying to use him in the post.  That's like trying to play baseball by swinging your face.

#2-   We're missing all kinds of easy cutters to the rim.   We correct the recognition of double teams, and it doesn't matter how physical Wofford plays, they're going to put themselves in no-win situations.
They seem to be trying to use him in the post so far tonight.

ErieHog

March 19, 2015, 10:13:04 pm #32
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 10:10:43 pm
They seem to be trying to use him in the post so far tonight.

Not at all. They have used him on high ball screens a ton.   Him reading the double and making the cut to run to the rim is not using him as a post.  Its a simple recognition of what he's supposed to be doing in the motion offense-- and when he is ball handling himself,  it's 12+ feet from the rim.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

bigred223

March 20, 2015, 12:01:16 am #33
We are one of the top scoring teams in the country.

Nipsey Mussle

March 20, 2015, 12:05:14 am #34
Quote from: bigred223 on March 20, 2015, 12:01:16 am
We are one of the top scoring teams in the country.
Shhhhh, don't tell Prestworthy.

Are people complaining about a win in the frickin Ncaa tournament?!? I don't accept whining after any win..but our first Ncaa win in 7 years and there are people whining on here? I just love our basketball fan base.

lefty08

March 20, 2015, 06:41:42 am #35
Bobby had 15 and 13, I'll take that slump. We are 15th in the nation in scoring.

Anything else?
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AWHAWG

March 20, 2015, 07:23:37 am #36
Quote from: lefty08 on March 20, 2015, 06:41:42 am
Bobby had 15 and 13, I'll take that slump. We are 15th in the nation in scoring.

Anything else?
And 1 and 0 in post season. After the first round there will be 32 teams wishing they had won.

thebignasty

March 20, 2015, 07:38:49 am #37
We run a lot of really nice inbound plays.

PonderinHog

March 20, 2015, 07:41:26 am #38
Would someone please explain the motion offense?  Does it involve motion ???

HSVhogfan2

March 20, 2015, 08:05:59 am #39
Quote from: lefty08 on March 20, 2015, 06:41:42 am
Bobby had 15 and 13, I'll take that slump. We are 15th in the nation in scoring.

Anything else?

Don't know if it was MA, one of the assistants or players that got to BP at about the 7 minute mark, but his body language changed completely. Whoever did, deserves the game ball. As good as Qualls is, AR has no chance against UNC without a fully engaged Portis.
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poloprince

March 20, 2015, 08:13:33 am #40
Quote from: 3kgthog on March 19, 2015, 09:27:19 pm
I can't recall one this season. It almost always looks like improv to me.

Why do you even watch buddy? 
$PoLoPrInCe$

HSVhogfan2

March 20, 2015, 08:40:41 am #41
Quote from: poloprince on March 20, 2015, 08:13:33 am
Why do you even watch buddy?

To be a turd and a redneck.
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Cresthog

March 20, 2015, 08:48:42 am #42
You guys who think basketball is like football are freaking idiots.

Everyone runs a base offense. We are the leading scoring team in the SEC and we don't even score THAT much off of transition. It's not like Duke is calling 15 set plays every freaking possession down the floor.

We have a pretty damn good half court offense when shots are falling. Sometimes we struggle against disciplined zone, but then again, who doesn't besides Kentucky?

Portis is actually a pretty terrible passer out of the double team, so that doesn't help either. He either panics to early and passes it where the defense can track back to the 3 points line, or he panics and makes a high pass or low pass where the guy can't catch and shoot.

If he passed better out of the double team, we'd have open looks at 3 all the time. Should have been lighting them up last night when they were crashing down on him.

Sportster365

March 20, 2015, 08:49:17 am #43
Improv doesn't get you an average of 21 wins a year over a span of 13 years and 3 teams.

Cresthog

March 20, 2015, 08:50:27 am #44
Quote from: lefty08 on March 20, 2015, 06:41:42 am
Bobby had 15 and 13, I'll take that slump. We are 15th in the nation in scoring.

Anything else?

This. Portis is slumping and its hurting us but our offense is fine. We just need to be slightly more efficient and that comes naturally when Portis is knocking down shots and finishing in the post.

AWHAWG

March 20, 2015, 09:07:10 am #45
Quote from: Prestworthy on March 19, 2015, 09:17:36 pm
How often do the hogs run offensive plays?
All the time!! Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean they are running their offense "or plays) they are not trying to look like every one else. They wear you out on defense and make you move on offense. Fatigue is part of it and not just the body its the mind game.  There is design to it and it is based on reaction. Case in point.  Run your DVR back to the play at the 9:59 mark in the first half.  Moses passes the ball out to Durham left elbow then sets a screen for Durham while drawing his man out the paint  which attempts to trap Durham (notice the team clearing out)  when his man commits to the trap watch Manny signal Bell  to switch with him which brings his man out of the paint, as soon as Moses feels his man touch him on his back he breaks in rhythm to the basket for the slam. The sorry commentator calls it a miss communications rather than give CMA CREDIT FOR GREAT COACHING the play!! The other guy says beautiful play by Arkansas! Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder.  I could argue something else but will leave it there. Quit drinking the Hater aid guys. CMA is one of only 11 coaches active to never have a losing season in ten years of coaching AND we just won our first game in post season.  Enjoy the team and WINS. I would like a blow out every now and then too. but.. next year no one will care what the score was. just win baby win. 

old_school_hawg

March 20, 2015, 09:12:53 am #46
Quote from: PonderinHog on March 20, 2015, 07:41:26 am
Would someone please explain the motion offense?  Does it involve motion ???

It supposed to involve motion! Moving without the ball is the most important aspect of an effective motion offense, which we don't do well...that is a discipline thing. Motion offense was developed primarily by Coach Bobby Knight, who is known as the "father of the motion Offense" along with Coach Pete Newell, who is also credited with its development.
Motion offense is based on reading and reacting to defenses using a basic skills (screening, cutting, etc) and a set of rules, which provides the players with a set of options. For example: pass and screen opposite; if you find yourself standing, go screen somebody or clear out of the way; maintain at least 15 feet of floor spacing between offensive players-don't make passes further than that; Pass instead of dribble-this is quicker and more efficient (the hogs need to get better at this one-there are only three reasons to dribble 1)get out of trouble, 2)score, 3)advance the ball when there are no viable receivers). Options are also taught: what to look for when the ball in in the corner, high post, etc. This is only scratching the surface of an intro to motion, but you get the idea...they are not supposed to be just running around like street ball. Motion offense is only effective if your team has a high level of discipline (example: Wofford..they were running motion as well, everyone does) which the hogs are seriously lacking. I mean, we threw a shoe on the court last night for Heaven's sake! There are some set entries in order to free up your initial cutters/receivers to start the motion, but after the first two preplanned screens, "set" offenses break down and are stifled by a decent defense. That is why players need to be able to read and react, and know the rules/options available. I feel this is not stressed enough along with the discipline to effetively run it, and that is going to be problematic moving forward. Everyone seems to look at the 94-95 teams as the standard. If you go back and look at those teams, they were extremely disciplined and ran a very effective motion offense because of it...the 94 team moreso than the 95. They could play halfcourt ball with anyone when the runout was not presented to them.
Two more things related to motion that we do not do well that makes my skull want explode is our inability to recognize that there are no rebounders in the paint before we jack a three, and our inability to recognize and play the numbers game on runouts during a break. First, motion rules state you should not shoot without at least 1, preferable more, rebounders in position aroune the goal. Fact: a great 3-point shooter will make 1/3. Without rebounders under there, you are basically just handing the ball over 2/3 of the time. Discipline. Second, if the numbers on the runout are not 3 on 2 in your favor, time to pull out and run your offense. Again discipline.
I know this has been longer than I planned (sorry), but entire books have been written on the motion offense. These are just a few of the things we need to correct. And they are easy fixes, that is what is so frustrating. I have coached motion offense for the last 15 years in the high school ranks. It works. We have won 3 state titles with 2 different schools. No matter the level you are coaching, the principles are the same, and the game strategies are the same. Its just so frustrating to watch at times.
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PonderinHog

March 20, 2015, 09:14:33 am #47
Thanks!   ;)

old_school_hawg

March 20, 2015, 09:19:33 am #48
Quote from: Cresthog on March 20, 2015, 08:48:42 am
You guys who think basketball is like football are freaking idiots.

Everyone runs a base offense. We are the leading scoring team in the SEC and we don't even score THAT much off of transition. It's not like Duke is calling 15 set plays every freaking possession down the floor.

We have a pretty damn good half court offense when shots are falling. Sometimes we struggle against disciplined zone, but then again, who doesn't besides Kentucky?

Portis is actually a pretty terrible passer out of the double team, so that doesn't help either. He either panics to early and passes it where the defense can track back to the 3 points line, or he panics and makes a high pass or low pass where the guy can't catch and shoot.

If he passed better out of the double team, we'd have open looks at 3 all the time. Should have been lighting them up last night when they were crashing down on him.
just another thing we need to correct
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March 20, 2015, 09:27:28 am #49
Quote from: old_school_hawg on March 20, 2015, 09:12:53 am
It supposed to involve motion! Moving without the ball is the most important aspect of an effective motion offense, which we don't do well...that is a discipline thing. Motion offense was developed primarily by Coach Bobby Knight, who is known as the "father of the motion Offense" along with Coach Pete Newell, who is also credited with its development.
Motion offense is based on reading and reacting to defenses using a basic skills (screening, cutting, etc) and a set of rules, which provides the players with a set of options. For example: pass and screen opposite; if you find yourself standing, go screen somebody or clear out of the way; maintain at least 15 feet of floor spacing between offensive players-don't make passes further than that; Pass instead of dribble-this is quicker and more efficient (the hogs need to get better at this one-there are only three reasons to dribble 1)get out of trouble, 2)score, 3)advance the ball when there are no viable receivers). Options are also taught: what to look for when the ball in in the corner, high post, etc. This is only scratching the surface of an intro to motion, but you get the idea...they are not supposed to be just running around like street ball. Motion offense is only effective if your team has a high level of discipline (example: Wofford..they were running motion as well, everyone does) which the hogs are seriously lacking. I mean, we threw a shoe on the court last night for Heaven's sake! There are some set entries in order to free up your initial cutters/receivers to start the motion, but after the first two preplanned screens, "set" offenses break down and are stifled by a decent defense. That is why players need to be able to read and react, and know the rules/options available. I feel this is not stressed enough along with the discipline to effetively run it, and that is going to be problematic moving forward. Everyone seems to look at the 94-95 teams as the standard. If you go back and look at those teams, they were extremely disciplined and ran a very effective motion offense because of it...the 94 team moreso than the 95. They could play halfcourt ball with anyone when the runout was not presented to them.
Two more things related to motion that we do not do well that makes my skull want explode is our inability to recognize that there are no rebounders in the paint before we jack a three, and our inability to recognize and play the numbers game on runouts during a break. First, motion rules state you should not shoot without at least 1, preferable more, rebounders in position aroune the goal. Fact: a great 3-point shooter will make 1/3. Without rebounders under there, you are basically just handing the ball over 2/3 of the time. Discipline. Second, if the numbers on the runout are not 3 on 2 in your favor, time to pull out and run your offense. Again discipline.
I know this has been longer than I planned (sorry), but entire books have been written on the motion offense. These are just a few of the things we need to correct. And they are easy fixes, that is what is so frustrating. I have coached motion offense for the last 15 years in the high school ranks. It works. We have won 3 state titles with 2 different schools. No matter the level you are coaching, the principles are the same, and the game strategies are the same. Its just so frustrating to watch at times.
It's nice to have a question answered on here without being called an idiot. Thanks for the explanation
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