Wow, what is Baylor doing...

[BattleHawg]

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

[The_Bionic_Pig]

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't Baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden Baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alto of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

Their doing a Ole Miss and offering before even evaluating (academic status) - anyone & everyone because quite a few won't qualify so its kinda like get as many as you can and let the ones who don't make it fall by the wayside.

[jkcrunch]

They also hired a pretty decent coach,  but you are dead on with the offer everyone whether they can read or not strategy

[BPPig]

I wouldn't jump on the Baylor bandwagon until after Feb 14th or so. A lot can happen in that timespan. Some of these coaches that are pressuring kids into early commits are going to bite when the kid evaluates all the folks the school is recruiting. Happens every year.

[Sao Ming]

I wouldn't jump on the Baylor bandwagon until after Feb 14th or so. A lot can happen in that timespan. Some of these coaches that are pressuring kids into early commits are going to bite when the kid evaluates all the folks the school is recruiting. Happens every year.

I think Baylor is entitled to do what they think will work best for them.  They are hustling to turn the corner in the big 12 and I commend them for it 100%.  Morriss annd the new LB coach GJ Kinne Sr. (2004 National HS Coach of the Year - Canton, TX) is to Baylor what Gus is to us.  He is a phenomenal young coach who provides exactly what BU needs, desire, intensity and a never say die attitude.  No pun intended.

Some here discredited my thread a few days ago re: Baylor hurting our recruiting.  Well, I'm here to tell you once more, if BU wins you can see less of the Texas 100 consider us.  BU gives them just one more option over UT/TT/TCU/ATM etc.  What then?

[J_Ville_Devils_Den]

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't Baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden Baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

Calling Baylor a recruiting giant is like calling us a Recruiting Juggernaut.  Not even close.
Their avg star rating with 24 recuits at this point 2.42.  Last year they finished at 2.34; 61st overall.  2005 they were 2.35; 62nd overall.  According to Rivals.

[piggly wiggly]

When they (Baylor) start taking away recruits from Texas and O.U., I'll start to worry.

[Sao Ming]

When they (Baylor) start taking away recruits from Texas and O.U., I'll start to worry.

Um, we don't take recruits from UT and OU right now...are you worried?

[bigred7987]

Lately nobody takes them from Texas but we have taken some from Oklahoma unless you just ignored the whole other baylor thread Sao

[Sao Ming]

The state of Oklahomo or OU front runners?  Forgive me.

[bigred7987]

People that OU wants, can't expect to get every recruit that we both go after when we having losing seasons but we still get some, or do you need a refresher? Tony Ugoh, Chris Houston, Marcus Shavers,

[bigredhogs]

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

Baylor a recruiting Giant.  I hope you are not serious.   Looks more like Vandys rankings a bunch of two stars and a few three stars.  It is disturbing thou if it is true we offered this kid and Baylor out recruited us.  I hope it only means that better DEs are on the radar.

[Sao Ming]

I see your point about some recruiting wins in Ugoh/Houston etc...but 3 wins in several years does not a contender make.  Again, Baylor is Baylor, but I sincerely believe that if they step up in the Big 12 even a little bit kids worth thier salt will go there for no other reason than it's close and they like the Texas exposure.  It happens.  We see it with native Arkansan talent all of the time.   

[bigred7987]

Not really that easy to recruit a player here when Arkansas is 4-7 and Oklahoma is in the BCS every other year.  When that changes it will be an even playing field with Oklahoma.  I'm not debating the Texas one, but just about every school in the nation could claim that loss. 

[BPPig]

If all the kids that Baylor is getting in early on are qualified then I commend them. I bet a few aren't. I don't mean to offend anyone but if  we can't hang with a Baptist University in Waco TX then we are in big trouble.

AR's historical recruiting in TX has been with players rated in the 60-100 range. Back in the day a lot of those players were better than top 10 players in AR. That is no longer the case. We get a player here and there out of TX that is rated higher but not normally. We also almost never win on a TX kid if TX is recruiting him. It's the nature of the beast. I am much happier with the improvement of AR HS football and the fact that we are back in E. OK then worried about losing ground to Baylor in TX.

HDN is one lucky dude. He is sitting in the right place at the right time and all he has to do is not screw it up. I figure it is 50/50 on the last part.

[bigred7987]

Would you people stop, if we were getting these commitments you guys would be saying we aren't going after the top players and now that Baylor is getting these guys you are saying we are getting beat in recruiting by Baylor.  Take a step back and think about what your saying for once, this is ridiculous

[BattleHawg]

Calling Baylor a recruiting giant is like calling us a Recruiting Juggernaut.  Not even close.

I was being a little sarcastic, maybe I should've noted that.  I don't actually believe baylor is a recruiting "giant".
I just meant that their recruiting is so much more than it has been.


BH

[BattleHawg]

Baylor a recruiting Giant.  I hope you are not serious.  

Again, as I stated above, I was being somewhat sarcastic about it.

Didn't realize I'd get some people stirredup over making a statement, while definitely meaning what I meant it to say, that obviously had [SARCASM] in it.  We're talking about baylor here.
My point was the immediate, huge difference in their recruiting in less than a year.


BH

[Sao Ming]

Would you people stop, if we were getting these commitments you guys would be saying we aren't going after the top players and now that Baylor is getting these guys you are saying we are getting beat in recruiting by Baylor.  Take a step back and think about what your saying for once, this is ridiculous

Good god, don't make me get my list back out and show you OUR guys with ZERO stars.  Tap the brakes bro.

[BPPig]

Rivals has updated it's list. Our only 2 star rival recruit right now is Dials. The others are all 3 stars except for Freeman at 4. We have a decent class started.

Some had a really nice display of the recruits with their stars and pics they posted once here. I wish I could find it again and I wish they would sticky it for this years class and add to it as we get more commitments.

[Oklahawg]

We need to let go of the star rankings for a bit. Who fits our needs? Who is a true fit for our schemes and who will need to morph into something else to fit? Think about Reggie Banks and Lucas Jackson. They were both 4-star recruits whose size/skill/speed didn't translate neatly to the SEC. We had to tinker with weight (that they couldn't carry) hoping to bulk them up to a position their speed was matched with.

Baylor does compare with Ole Miss, a bit. The theory is to hope like heck your evals are good and that you are jumping on players before they explode as seniors. You wrap up a prospect who goes up the charts as a senior.

You wonder about UA's success if they were to work as hard at getting the easy-to-find prospects as they do the lesser knowns who have similar skill sets. Think about Matterial Richardson, for example. The latest in a long line of guys that we scoured film to find and then he turns into an all-conference type of player. There were other players with that type of skill in that region of Texas. We didn't recruit them as hard. Worked out, but the margin for error is greater with a "diamond in the rough" than it is for a top 250 player.

[Razorjacks]

The ghost of Grant Taff is helping Baylor. He ate a worm to fire up his team once.

[hog37]

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

Baylor a recruiting Giant.  I hope you are not serious.   Looks more like Vandys rankings a bunch of two stars and a few three stars.  It is disturbing thou if it is true we offered this kid and Baylor out recruited us.  I hope it only means that better DEs are on the radar.

Do you guys really think that these so called  recruiting experts (at their desks) looking at highlight films and a kid in shorts actually have the ability to better judge a players football abilities than D1 coaches.  Get real, star ratings are all about marketing and how a kid looks in shorts.  These coaches would NOT offer players who they didn't think could contribute.  Haven't you all noticed that a recruit is suddenly rated as a top player by Otis once the Hogs offer him.  Where is that rating before the Hogs offer. 

[Cresthog]

Would you people stop, if we were getting these commitments you guys would be saying we aren't going after the top players and now that Baylor is getting these guys you are saying we are getting beat in recruiting by Baylor.  Take a step back and think about what your saying for once, this is ridiculous

THANK YOU BIGRED!!!!

+1 for you man, thank you for speaking the truth!

[Sao Ming]

Cresthog, I am very curious to know if you know for sure who our top recruits are for this year, and how many little yellow "Stars" are next to each.  I think your endorsement above wouold be worth nothing if you truly did know. 

On to bigger and better things for me.  Clearly all messages are being lost on this and other recruiting threads.  I'll be back in January when the truth is revealed.

[bigred7987]

On to bigger and better things for me.  Clearly all messages are being lost on this and other recruiting threads.  I'll be back in January when the truth is revealed.

good cya...not like you could ever get involved in a meaningful debate if there was ever someone there to debate your opinion. 

[BattleHawg]

Do you guys really think that these so called  recruiting experts (at their desks) looking at highlight films and a kid in shorts actually have the ability to better judge a players football abilities than D1 coaches.  Get real, star ratings are all about marketing and how a kid looks in shorts.  These coaches would NOT offer players who they didn't think could contribute.  Haven't you all noticed that a recruit is suddenly rated as a top player by Otis once the Hogs offer him.  Where is that rating before the Hogs offer. 

And yet another poster misses my point.
The point is this alone:

THE FACT THAT BAYLOR IS GETTING COMMITS FROM LOTS MORE PROSPECTS THAN IT USUALLY DOES AT THE SAME POINT IN THE YEAR THAN IT HAS IN THE PREVIOUS 294 YEARS OF RECRUITING FOOTBALL. 
ALSO, THE TALENT LEVEL OF THEM(COMMITS) APPEARS TO BE THAT OF MUCH BETTER PLAYERS WHO ARE CONSIDERED MORE TALENTED AND MORE REPSECTED BY SCOUT, COACHES, ETC THAT DO THAT TYPE OF THING.
I'M SAYING, 'WHAT IS BAYLOR DOING TO WOW THESE GUYS THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IN THE PAST??'  THIS IS HAPPENING OVERNITE FOR THEM...
SOUNDS STRANGE TO ME.


Hopefully I have made it more clear this time.


BH

[Sao Ming]

BH, the point escapes most everyone especially BigRed et al.  Dont fret.  It's pretty apparent to some.

I'll just add this as well.  When WE dismiss the Texas Top 100, as a fanbase, we are either ignorant or doomed. Pick your poison.

[razorback44]

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

this year to get so many commits??  And many of them are considered to be pretty damn good players with multiple stars.

I mean, doesn't baylor usually have like 3 commits at this point, and from 1-star players? 
Another site is reporting they now have a commit from DT/DE Adrian Campbell, whom the Hogs and some other bigtime schools were recruiting.

Adrian is from the Dallas area, so maybe he just wanted to stay close to home?

It's just interesting how all in the sudden baylor is a recruiting giant and a destination alot of kids wanna go. 
hmmm...


BH

Baylor a recruiting Giant.  I hope you are not serious.   Looks more like Vandys rankings a bunch of two stars and a few three stars.  It is disturbing thou if it is true we offered this kid and Baylor out recruited us.  I hope it only means that better DEs are on the radar.

Do you guys really think that these so called  recruiting experts (at their desks) looking at highlight films and a kid in shorts actually have the ability to better judge a players football abilities than D1 coaches.  Get real, star ratings are all about marketing and how a kid looks in shorts.  These coaches would NOT offer players who they didn't think could contribute.  Haven't you all noticed that a recruit is suddenly rated as a top player by Otis once the Hogs offer him.  Where is that rating before the Hogs offer. 

Uhh...the rating of recruits actually tends to drop after we offer them.  That is why people bitch that their is a bias against us. 

[cubbie]

Do these kids not know that baylor is a hard school.

[bigred7987]

btw Adrian Campbell just de-committed and is now wanting to take a visit here for the USC game

[Hawgballz]

btw Adrian Campbell just de-committed and is now wanting to take a visit here for the USC game

Now that is good news.

[Hogstocking]

Some had a really nice display of the recruits with their stars and pics they posted once here. I wish I could find it again and I wish they would sticky it for this years class and add to it as we get more commitments.

thanks for the compliment.

I converted all our current verbals profiles to a gif image in my sig line but the file was to large.  I haven't had time to compress it, but I will soon.

[Hawgballz]

Some had a really nice display of the recruits with their stars and pics they posted once here. I wish I could find it again and I wish they would sticky it for this years class and add to it as we get more commitments.

thanks for the compliment.

I converted all our current verbals profiles to a gif image in my sig line but the file was to large.  I haven't had time to compress it, but I will soon.

Piggy, I had been looking for that also.  +1 for you

[BPPig]

Thanks Piggy. I look forward to seeing that again. It was sweet.